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Why do moderate dems claim a public option health plan could coexist with private plans?

Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:27 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69211 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:27 am
How delusional must one be to actually think a public plan that doesn't have to make a profit or even break even doesn't have an enormous advantage over private insurance?

Yet we will have biden arguing this summer and fall that "nobody will lose their plan" with his public option policy agenda.


There's a reason even with their 60 seats in 2009, dems could not get it through. It would 100% lead to a loss of private plans for americans.

The process of a public option plan destroying private insurance would be straightforward.

1) A public option is passed and begins being offered to americans. Because it would pay medicare rates to providers, it could offer lower premiums to potential buyers. To ensure providers will accept these plans, government regulators would force anyone who accepts medicare to accept this public option.

2) Providers seeing reduced payments as people switch to the public plan would demand higher payment from private health plans to make up for the reduced reimbursements from the public plan. Private insurance plans would then have to raise premiums to pay for the higher payments.

3) as private premiums rise, more and more people switch to the public plan, leading to even higher prices for the private plans. Eventually, private insurance would simply stop existing as demand shrivels. End result: the public option becomes the only plan out there. Private insurance would be gone.


stop trying to lie to moderate upper income suburban voters by telling them their private plan wouldn't be affected. Not a single policy maker believes that.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64295 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:28 am to
Because they’re dishonest
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:29 am to
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moderate dems


I know no whites who are moderate Dems.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69211 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:30 am to
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I know no whites who are moderate Dems.
A few moderate white dems post on this board

irishtiger89
texridder
a want

probably a few more.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9076 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:50 am to
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Because they’re dishonest



HHM, you already knew this was the answer, right?
Posted by Jinglebob
Member since Jan 2020
948 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:25 am to
They can coexist, for example Medicaid/Medicare/Private insurance like we have now.

Our current system exposes the flaws in this though, as many doctors don't take Medicare patients because the rates are set so low.

Australia has a hybrid system. Everyone has a basic public plan and most working class and higher have an additional private plan that gives more benefits.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9397 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:27 am to
Because dems are liars first and foremost.
Posted by lz2112
Largo, Fl
Member since Oct 2019
1172 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:47 am to
The goal of ObamaCare was (and is) a single payer system. The "final solution" to healthcare issues is that everyone's health care sucks, unless you are ultra-rich or in Congress.

Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45066 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:21 am to
Question:

Can a public plan possibly coexist with private health insurance if you make the public plan really shitty?

Like make it cover just the bare basics but make it really shitty where if you can afford other you would choose it.

Surprised I type all that right as I am quite fricked up right now?
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:22 am to
Ya goodnight sleep tight don’t let bedbugs bite
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
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45066 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:26 am to
Gonna try to wake the fiancé see if she will let me have the sex
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10137 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:46 am to
quote:

Everyone has a basic public plan and most working class and higher have an additional private plan that gives more benefits.

But....but...but...that's not equal.

Seriously, that would be the argument you would hear.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 5:06 am to
There are no moderate democrats
Posted by The_411
Member since Apr 2020
39 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 5:33 am to
I’m neither a dem or rep, but perhaps if looked outside your little bubble and looked at the German healthcare system you could see and answer.

Stay educated ...
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2390 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 5:38 am to
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama (BCBSAL) is a nonprofit health insurance company.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123730 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 6:22 am to
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Why do moderate dems claim a public option health plan could coexist with private plans?
For the same reason they claimed Obamacare was not a stairstep to CommieCare.

OTOH, when the Public Option sucks badly enough, private plans become available for the well off. It is two tiered. That's the way it is in most CommieCare systems.

It is similar to the Public School design where everybody has to buy their kids a seat in the public school classroom. Those with means then just abandon that seat, get nothing for the money, and instead pay for a second seat in a private school.

Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21315 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 6:25 am to
Just want to get their tentacles in.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23098 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 6:39 am to
quote:

moderate dems


Example?
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
4500 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 6:42 am to

This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 11:01 am
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139549 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 6:46 am to
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For the same reason they claimed Obamacare was not a stairstep to CommieCare.


Husseincare was designed to fail so that true commiecare could swoop in and save the day.

Then trump happened
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