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re: Why can’t U.S. car manufacturers, make some cars without chips?
Posted on 6/15/21 at 12:36 pm to EA6B
Posted on 6/15/21 at 12:36 pm to EA6B
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computer controlled fuel injection, ignition timing, variable cam timing improve efficiency, enabling the engine to produce more power from every gallon of fuel used,and do it at any RPM, engine load and altitude.
See, that is all about efficiency by controlling the parameters. You can't make an engine more powerful than it's mechanical design just by attaching a computer.
The engines that are manufactured now are more advanced mechanically than they were in the 70s and 80s. If you have a pushrod 150 CID 4 cylinder engine from the 80s, it won't matter what kind of computer that you put on it, you are still only going to get around 150 Max HP out of it, unless you slap on a turbo or super charger, and then that engine won't last long, because the mechanical build wasn't stout enough to handle it. Modern engines have a much more advanced mechanical design, it wasn't just about slapping a computer on it, as was implied.
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Posted on 6/15/21 at 1:15 pm to BuckyCheese
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Let me spell it out for you simpleton.
Keep reading your hot rod magazines!
Posted on 6/15/21 at 1:18 pm to elit4ce05
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Drive my 66 GOAT one time then come back and tell me how much shittier it is than your KIA
Cars now are so far superior than they were even just 20 years ago it's ridiculous
Posted on 6/15/21 at 1:20 pm to auggie
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The same engines without computer programs, and properly aspirated and tuned will give all of the power that the engine is mechanically capable of.
Oh boy
No they absolutely will not. The only feedback in a mechanical fuel system on a gas engine is vacuum and on a mechanical diesel nothing at all. The only variable is air restriction and spark timing or on a diesel, rack position.
You can certainly have a serviceable all mechanical engine but you absolutely cannot have an engine as efficient, powerful, or adaptable as a computer controlled one
Electronics are better.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 1:25 pm to Powerman
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Drive my 66 GOAT one time then come back and tell me how much shittier it is than your KIA
Cars now are so far superior than they were even just 20 years ago it's ridiculous
Yep. Anyone denying a new low end car is superior to something/anything from the 60's is simply nuts. (Other than styling)
I say this as an owner of a 1970 W30. A new Malibu will do everything better other than accelerate in a straight line. And that new 4 banger WILL accelerate much faster than a basic 1970 Malibu. (Not talking about the SS) And that spread isn't as big as it was 10 years ago. Even basic cars are fairly quick today.
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/15/21 at 1:32 pm to BuckyCheese
I like old cars myself but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking they're better products
Posted on 6/15/21 at 2:00 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Oh boy No they absolutely will not. The only feedback in a mechanical fuel system on a gas engine is vacuum and on a mechanical diesel nothing at all. The only variable is air restriction and spark timing or on a diesel, rack position. You can certainly have a serviceable all mechanical engine but you absolutely cannot have an engine as efficient, powerful, or adaptable as a computer controlled one Electronics are better.
None of this was the point, I was only stating that todays engines are better designed and are capable of higher outputs. It didn't just happen by slapping a computer on an old engine design. Everything is better about the newer engines, from the crankshaft to the exhaust manifolds.
If you took a stock crate 300HP chevy engine from 1970 put an EFI on it, it will still only make around 300HP. To make more power, you have a lot more work to do, inside the engine. These new engines are vastly improved from a mechanical standpoint, and yes even if you just stuck a carb ad distributor on them, cubic inch compared to cubic inch, the newer engines would vastly outperform the older engines. It's not just the computer.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 3:41 pm to Revelator
.......cause they want all modern cars to be zapped in a nanosecond with a Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) bomb. Detonate one of those suckas' and you turn this country into the dark ages (literally) in an instant. No food at the market, no rail, no truck transport, no take-out from pizza joint, no cars, no street lights, no television, nothing. As for food and water? Only what you have in your pantry and that smelly water in juniors official boy scout canteen. Just desperate hungry people fighting over the last Vienna Sausage on the shelf at the local Sam's.
Fricking idiots in industry and government are so bent on making a profit and getting their hands greased, they refuse to consider the disaster that awaits us if some Iranian Mullah decides to detonate EMP bombs over our major cities.
Not good.
Fricking idiots in industry and government are so bent on making a profit and getting their hands greased, they refuse to consider the disaster that awaits us if some Iranian Mullah decides to detonate EMP bombs over our major cities.
Not good.
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/15/21 at 3:49 pm to Zarkinletch416
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cause they want all modern cars to be zapped in a nanosecond with a ChiCom Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) bomb. Turn this country into the dark ages (literally) in an instant. No food at the market, no rail, no truck transport, no take-out from Pizza joint, no cars, no street lights, no television, nothing. As for food and water? Only what you have in your pantry and that smelly water in juniors official boy scout canteen. Just desperate hungry people fighting over the last Viena Sausages on the shelf at the local Sam's.
It’s the scenario that plays out in this book, where an enemy explodes an EMP and fries all our computers and computer reliant products.
The sheriff in the book has an old carburetor style truck and was able to drive, while the freeway was a parking lot of incapacitated vehicles.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 3:53 pm to Revelator
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The sheriff in the book has an old carburetor style truck and was able to drive,
Yep, suddenly the off grid folks are thankful they left the cities and sought refuge in the wilderness, or in one of them Nuke silos in Kansas. That Clinkidy-Clank 1959 Chevy Pickup is nice too.
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/15/21 at 3:56 pm to Zarkinletch416
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Yep, suddenly the off grid people are thankful they left the cities and sought refuge in the wilderness. That clinkidy-clank 1959 Chevy Pickup is nice too.
You always see Mexicans on the interstate with multiple old US vehicles on trailers taking them back home!
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:12 pm to Zarkinletch416
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Yep, suddenly the off grid folks are thankful they left the cities and sought refuge in the wilderness, or in one of them Nuke silos in Kansas. That Clinkidy-Clank 1959 Chevy Pickup is nice too.
I have a couple of old trucks with carbs, both have manual chokes, solid state distributors and will always start just fine. They don't get the greatest fuel mileage, but you can always get them going.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:15 pm to Themole
quote:Please. Cars are crazy more reliable than they used to be. This thread can be summed up very easily: OK, Boomer (and I am one).
They are making bank on the repairs, by getting the automobiles back to the shop.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:17 pm to Revelator
The only chip My 1976 CJ-7 has is the one my wife probably dropped between the seat and console.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Please. Cars are crazy more reliable than they used to be. This thread can be summed up very easily: OK, Boomer (and I am one).
I’m not pretending that computerized technology isn’t great or hasn't advanced our civilization. I’m saying relying on any one technology, especially one where an enemy nation is supplying all the parts, isn’t a great idea.
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:32 pm to Revelator
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I’m not pretending that computerized technology isn’t great or hasn't advanced our civilization. I’m saying relying on any one technology, especially one where an enemy nation is supplying all the parts, isn’t a great idea.
This
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
On average, yes? But an 80s Benz was a million mile car. With modest upkeep.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 4:51 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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The truth is it takes billions of dollars to build a chip manufacturing facility etc etc
I'm cool with paying more if the damn things are built to last. I'm always in awe my mid-2000s Dell made in Ireland Desktop still chugs along fine, albeit as a glorified note-taker and IRC squatter at this point, but the Chynese work computers need constant troubleshooting and eventual replacement.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 5:53 pm to Revelator
quote:I agree (with Trump) about not letting China control this type of shite. But All aspects of cars are better now in terms of reliability.
I’m not pretending that computerized technology isn’t great or hasn't advanced our civilization. I’m saying relying on any one technology, especially one where an enemy nation is supplying all the parts, isn’t a great idea.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 5:54 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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The truth is it takes billions of dollars to build a chip manufacturing facility
Takes billions to build numerous types of industrial facilities. Maybe that's where the corporate "welfare" should be going though.
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