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Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:39 am to Revelator
Regulatory requirements have driven us to grovel at the feet of the chip gods.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:41 am to Powerman
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So you want a shittier car?
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Let me mandate a more complex car, as long as I get to control it and you pay more for it.
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Because extra power, fuel efficiency, safety, and creature comforts are in demand.
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Along with all the other pitfalls, these things are mandated. And YOU get the bill.
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:41 am to AubieinNC2009
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But then you wouldnt be forced to go to them for every little repair
This is what it is really all about. Dealers depend on parts and service for their profits.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:43 am to AubieinNC2009
When WWIII hits.. China will shut off the chip market and this nation will be walking.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:44 am to WWII Collector
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When WWIII hits.. China will shut off the chip market and this nation will be walking.
Not me.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:52 am to Revelator
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don’t really know if this is still possible, or how expensive it would be to retrofit the manufacturing process, but couldn’t some cars be made without chips like the old days. I know personally, I’d prefer a more simple vehicle, especially for work, that didn’t cost thousands to fix when it broke.
You know you can open a few catalogs now and build first gen Camaros, Chevelles, Mustangs, and some Chrysler cars from all new parts from the ground up. You can point and click your way right into a 69 Camaro SS convertible. 0 miles. 0 rust.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 9:53 am to CleverUserName
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You know you can
Some people might be capable. I’m not
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:01 am to Revelator
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Some people might be capable. I’m not
Sure you are. If you can’t assemble it.. hire it out. Hell…. You can call a resto shop, tell them to build it, write them a check, and go pick up the car. No different than ordering a new vehicle you want now.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:01 am to Revelator
Yes, we can go back to the 70's and make the Pinto and Vega again as well...
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:02 am to Hangover Haven
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Yes, we can go back to the 70's and make the Pinto and Vega again as well...
Why do people make stupid false narratives like this?
No, the choice isn’t a overly chipped car or a Vega
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:06 am to Powerman
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So you want a shittier car?
If you think more dependable is shittier then yes.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:25 am to auggie
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This is what it is really all about. Dealers depend on parts and service for their profits.
This is why there is a chip in the power window switch in your car.
Anyone with a modicum of skill can replace the switch in minutes. It won't work until the computer is flashed at the dealer however. For a price. Usually an hour minimum charge.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:30 am to BuckyCheese
I'm laughing at the OP for wanting to go back to essentially carbureted cars.
The computers in the cars are why a 4 cylinder has way more power than a 350 from 1979 while getting more than double the mileage and 10% of the emissions
The computers in the cars are why a 4 cylinder has way more power than a 350 from 1979 while getting more than double the mileage and 10% of the emissions
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:30 am to BuckyCheese
I can guarantee, if more cars were built simpler and cheaper, there would be a large market for them.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:31 am to Revelator
They can't be built today due to government mandated emissions and fuel economy regs.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:33 am to AllDayEveryDay
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Because vehicles have 142 sensors these days due to the constant Political drive for emissions monitoring.
Also due to our ever growing demand for comfort. Too many bells and whistles.
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:33 am to Indefatigable
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They caused this by shipping their supply and assembly chains overseas.
And over-reacting to the pandemic by laying people off and canceling orders for hundreds of thousands of semiconductor wafers
This post was edited on 6/15/21 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/15/21 at 10:51 am to AubieinNC2009
They can have my auto start/stop chip. At next oil change I'll ask the dealer if they can remove
Posted on 6/15/21 at 11:08 am to BuckyCheese
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The computers in the cars are why a 4 cylinder has way more power than a 350 from 1979 while getting more than double the mileage and 10% of the emissions
This isn't true at all. A computer chip or program, cant add power to an engine, it can only control and limit it.
Modern engines are built the way racing engines use to be built, and then they use computers to detune by limiting the fuel/air allowed through the injectors, and decrease spark advance. If they sell you a "performance upgrade" it's just a computer program with higher limits.
If you removed all computer limits from these engines, they would perform at maximum output with the proper tuning.
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