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re: Why are nukes such a no no and fire bombing is okay???
Posted on 10/16/22 at 3:55 pm to Young Wattz
Posted on 10/16/22 at 3:55 pm to Young Wattz
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What we did to Tokyo, Dresden, etc etc was an abomination
Fuct around, fount out.
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:42 pm to Young Wattz
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Japan was going to surrender
When were they going to surrender?
LeMay started his firebombing campaign in earnest the night of March 9/10, 1945 when he first firebombed Tokyo. After a couple of follow-up attacks, he had incinerated 16 sq miles of the city. By the time his campaign was stopped, he had burned 43% of the 66 cities firebombed, "unhousing" millions. It wasn't like Tokyo was the only city in Japan that was firebombed. He was prepared to burn every city in the country.
After all that, Japan was unwilling to surrender.
We bombed Hiroshima... they didn't quit.
We bombed Nagasaki... a faction of the military STILL didn't want to quit.
It was ugly and barbaric, but they started it.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:47 pm to trinidadtiger
Neither are OK.
But you can't firebomb our civilization out of existence. You can nuclear bomb our civilization out of existence.
An escalation of the use of nuclear weapons would end the world as we know it.
But you can't firebomb our civilization out of existence. You can nuclear bomb our civilization out of existence.
An escalation of the use of nuclear weapons would end the world as we know it.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:06 pm to White Roach
Anyone who says the nukes weren't necessary to end the war in Japan are stupid.
Period.
Pure revisionist wishful thinking with zero factual basis.
It took two - THE ONLY TWO WE HAD [THANKFULLY THEY DIDNT KNOW THAT] - to get them to the fricking table
Period.
Pure revisionist wishful thinking with zero factual basis.
It took two - THE ONLY TWO WE HAD [THANKFULLY THEY DIDNT KNOW THAT] - to get them to the fricking table
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:16 pm to trinidadtiger
Once Germany was defeated, the problem wasn’t Japan. The US was going to defeat Japan. The problem was the Soviet Union. We dropped the bombs, yes to end the war early, but also to send a message to the Soviets. We really should have saved those bombs for Moscow and Stalingrad though. They were the real enemy after the defeat of the Nazis.
The Lenin-Stalin-Marxist twisted ideology needed to be destroyed. We didn’t destroy it and it continues to affect us to this day. The only way to destroy it would have been Atomic Bombs.
The Lenin-Stalin-Marxist twisted ideology needed to be destroyed. We didn’t destroy it and it continues to affect us to this day. The only way to destroy it would have been Atomic Bombs.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:42 pm to udtiger
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It took two - THE ONLY TWO WE HAD [THANKFULLY THEY DIDNT KNOW THAT] - to get them to the fricking table
Russia also, finally, declared war on Japan. Japan didn't want to lose any more of their northern islands and territory to Russia and knew they could not resist any more.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:21 pm to Young Wattz
quote:You misspelled "known intelligence"
It's an absolute myth (conjured to explain away the atrocities) that Japan wasn't going to surrender until we nuked them.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:26 pm to Young Wattz
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Japan was going to surrender - no serious person today thinks otherwise. We didn't need to do it.
Japan had a military cabal within their General Staff that was unwilling to surrender even after the second bomb was dropped. They were ready to attempt an overthrow of the Emperor to prevent the surrender before they were stopped.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:33 pm to trinidadtiger
The Japs should thank their lucky stars we nuked their asses.
If they had not surrendered, the fire bombings would have continued. If we had invaded, taking the Japanese homeland one have been one Stalingrad like meat grinder after another. The Soviets would have become involved, resulting in a divided Japan like Germany and Korea. Millions, perhaps tens of millions, of more Japanese civilians would have died if the Allies invaded. Japan would have been thrown back into the Middle Ages as an agricultural society, and would not have become the economic powerhouse it did become. It also saved an untold number of Allied lives.
If they had not surrendered, the fire bombings would have continued. If we had invaded, taking the Japanese homeland one have been one Stalingrad like meat grinder after another. The Soviets would have become involved, resulting in a divided Japan like Germany and Korea. Millions, perhaps tens of millions, of more Japanese civilians would have died if the Allies invaded. Japan would have been thrown back into the Middle Ages as an agricultural society, and would not have become the economic powerhouse it did become. It also saved an untold number of Allied lives.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:38 pm to Young Wattz
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It's an absolute myth (conjured to explain away the atrocities) that Japan wasn't going to surrender until we nuked them.
Okinawa had just been taken around a month earlier at a human cost at over 110,000 Japanese Soldiers and as many as 100k+ civilians.
Many more people would have died taking Japan than died from those 2 Bombs, regardless of what psycho revisionist history people claim.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:55 pm to Young Wattz
What Japan received was well earned. They got what they deserved.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:05 pm to Young Wattz
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What we did to Tokyo, Dresden, etc etc was an abomination
Don’t start none, won’t be none.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:16 pm to trinidadtiger
Fire bombing a la Dresden possibly attracted a more accusational response and outcry than The Bomb(s). Now I did say possibly, so I do have an out if necessary.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:21 pm to trinidadtiger
An AR15 can quickly kill more people than a pistol.
But overall more people die from the pistol.
Neither are good
But overall more people die from the pistol.
Neither are good
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