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re: Why didn’t we have mass school shootings every other week back in the 80s?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:23 pm to berrycajun
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:23 pm to berrycajun
The only way to take ones freedoms is to have them willingly give them up under the guise of safety.
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:24 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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how the education system treats males
care to expand on this?
Supression of natural aggression, low standards and a lack of positive male role models - especially at the lower levels.
A lack of promoting failure, teaching the benefits of negative experiences, and a void of pushing boys to overcome obstacles.
And this is a larger social problem beyond just schools but schools seem to be its epicenter.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:25 pm to Darth_Vader
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This is really not a discussion of general crime rates comparative from then to now. I genuinely want to have a discussion about the causes behind the literal explosion of the phenomenon of school shootings since the 90s. What was once a rare occourance is now an all too common occurance. What I want to know is what has changed to cause this upswing of mass shootings.
And if anything, the overall decline in violent crime only serves to exasperate the question of how can it be that while violent crime is in decline, School shootings are expanding at an alarming rate. Something is causing this. The question is what is it?
It is an interesting question, but there is no certainty that there is an answer. It is quite possible for it be random. If it's not random, my money is on the internet/social media putting it way more in our faces now. Not only in terms of hearing about every single shooting, but also being treated to multiple first-person angles via youtube.
What's weird is that shoot-em-up video games don't seem to satisfy the bloodlust like internet porn does for rape. Rape has plummeted in the past 20 years and I really believe a big part of it is the existence of internet porn.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:26 pm to dbuchanon
If I could give more upvotes I would
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:27 pm to berrycajun
Pharmaceuticals, social media, mainstream media, education system, lack of parenting, lifestyle of being inside all day, diet, Hollywood, television programming, smartphones, lack of awareness about life in general
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:28 pm to Madking
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The educationas system, eroding of core values, normalizing even glorifying disgusting behavior and the destruction of family while demonizing anyone you’re in disagreement with.
Of all the posts in this thread, I think yours comes the closest to hitting the nail on the head. I personally think the Heart of the matter is I believe we as a society as a whole do not value life in the same manner we did back then. In short, people place little to no value on the life of anyone but themselves.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:28 pm to Antonio Moss
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Supression of natural aggression, low standards and a lack of positive male role models - especially at the lower levels.
A lack of promoting failure, teaching the benefits of negative experiences, and a void of pushing boys to overcome obstacles.
And this is a larger social problem beyond just schools but schools seem to be its epicenter.
Again, nailed it.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:29 pm to Darth_Vader
The left has made victims out of every down trodden kid person whom could not compete at a high level in whatever. Allowing anyone with real problems to believe they are owed some pound of flesh for their shot comings. Hence it’s ok to take up a gun and kill a couple dozen folks just to justify your feelings of being left out.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:30 pm to Darth_Vader
Social media creates a false sense of importance in people. It eliminates the development of social skills on people. Take this site for example. The most popular, well liked poster could be a complete recluse that cant leave home without taking a shite load is meds first.
A person can lose themselves, and their grip on reality on the internet.
A person can lose themselves, and their grip on reality on the internet.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:30 pm to mtntiger
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We used to have guns in our vehicles all the time. We'd go hunting before and after school.
Not once did we ever think to go get a gun and start shooting up the school. It literally never crossed our minds.
I was coming here to post exactly what you said. We did too...guns everywhere in vehicles in the parking lot, not one school shooting. We had plenty of fist fights but nobody ever pulled a gun or a knife.
I wish I could tell you what the difference is now.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:33 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:36 pm to Darth_Vader
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What’s changed? If anything, we had even more access to guns then than kids nowadays. So why didn’t we have nutjobs going into schools every other week shooing the places up?
We all had Jesus back then.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:37 pm to Darth_Vader
Well for me this POS would have had several “tune ups” about his attitude. Now a days they call it bullying.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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I personally think the Heart of the matter is I believe we as a society as a whole do not value life in the same manner we did back then. In short, people place little to no value on the life of anyone but themselves.
Meh. Then back to the overall violence question: why is it so much lower now if this trend of yours is true?
And I think that even though Millennials/iGen are clearly more accustomed to growing up in an "individualized" environment, when it comes to things like entrepreneurship, they show clear proclivities to socially-responsible business practices and the like which value positive impact on society and the less fortunate as a whole. That's just one example that cuts against the grain of your thesis.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:41 pm to Darth_Vader
Murder rate was higher in the 80's, a lot higher actually.
Back then the cool thing for psychos was to be a serial killer (you don't hear about them anymore). Now the cool thing is to be a mass shooter. Same mentality, different MO.
Back then the cool thing for psychos was to be a serial killer (you don't hear about them anymore). Now the cool thing is to be a mass shooter. Same mentality, different MO.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:41 pm to Darth_Vader
i remember this incodent very clearly. this happened just before i graduated from columbine. yes, that columbine. we got sent home early from school that day and when i got home my dad was in his office, in the basement, with his 357 snubnose on his desk and loaded.
news article, sfw
news article, sfw
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:41 pm to Beessnax
Ditto. I had a gun rack and my guns were in the window and behind the seat, ready to go to the woods right after school. The thought of pulling them on someone was never there, and we got into plenty of fights and arguments.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:43 pm to Darth_Vader
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Why didn’t we have mass school shootings every other week back in the 80s?
I get your point, but you're exaggerating it. We average less than 1.5 per year over the last 20 years.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
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And I think that even though Millennials/iGen are clearly more accustomed to growing up in an "individualized" environment, when it comes to things like entrepreneurship, they show clear proclivities to socially-responsible business practices and the like which value positive impact on society and the less fortunate as a whole. That's just one example that cuts against the grain of your thesis.
Citations of this please.
Virtue signaling on social media != actual socially-responsible business practices.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:44 pm to AUstar
quote:This is at least as likely to be true as any of the hand-wringing theories over the decline of society are.
Back then the cool thing for psychos was to be a serial killer (you don't hear about them anymore). Now the cool thing is to be a mass shooter. Same mentality, different MO.
It also used to be a fun family activity to go down and watch the local lynching and then take happy pics with the strange fruit swinging in the background. I'm not buying the idea that we are somehow on the moral decline.
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