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re: Who wants California to stay part of the USA?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 8:22 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
Posted on 9/1/17 at 8:22 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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I'd rather lose AL, MS, or a dozen other states that contribute jack shite to this country.
Yeah...you stink. Huntsville/Madison area is the home of Redstone Arsenal and Research Park...and even Decatur has a Boeing manufacturing plant and Dynetics just secured a contract for NASA to build a aerospace facility. Raytheon and LG out by the airport, the FBI just expanded their facilities on the Arsenal...the list goes on. SoCal is terrible. Bum's living in tents?...smart people out there making great decisions, but AL, MS, or a dozen other states that contribute jack shite to this country. Confused.
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 8:25 pm to AU_Right
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Yeah...you stink. Huntsville/Madison area is the home of Redstone Arsenal and Research Park...and even Decatur has a Boeing manufacturing plant and Dynetics just secured a contract for NASA to build a aerospace facility. Raytheon and LG out by the airport, the FBI just expanded their facilities on the Arsenal...the list goes on. SoCal is terrible. Bum's living in tents?...smart people out there making great decisions, but AL, MS, or a dozen other states that contribute jack shite to this country. Confused.
You know how it is with "those people".
If they don't insult AL,MS,etc their cool dem-prog friends won't play with them anymore.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 8:40 pm to Pinecone Repair
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You know how it is with "those people".
If they don't insult AL,MS,etc their cool dem-prog friends won't play with them anymore.
Yeah. Have a popular musician here...was in Brother Cain, does some of the Black jacket Symphony stuff, plays all over town, go off on facebook, bashing Trump the other night and lost half his following. Don't know the specifics (no facebook), but my colleague/friend told me about it...got pretty ugly from what he told me.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:11 pm to AU_Right
It's a fallacy to think CA is such a tax contributor. There are huge military facilities there which are supported completely by tax dollars. Also, without massive federal dollars it took to build the infrastructure of and to maintain the aqueduct system, CA would have NO WATER. It all comes from neighboring states! No water, no agriculture.
We would miss there ports though.
We would miss there ports though.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:14 pm to Jackalope
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Just San Diego because we need that port for our fleets.
We can find another port... or they will be riddled with debt paying for their free shite that they will sell it to us
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:23 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
quote:
I'd rather lose AL, MS, or a dozen other states that contribute jack shite to this country.
Id be fine with this, good luck in your socialist paradise
Posted on 9/1/17 at 9:29 pm to iamAG
San Diego is full of good peoples. 
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:12 pm to iamAG
quote:I do.
Who wants California to stay part of the USA?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:17 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:
conservative" from NoCal and a "conservative" from LA or Alabama are very different people.
Lol
Some of the most hard core righties you'll ever meet are from California
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:19 pm to AU_Right
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quote:
I'd rather lose AL, MS, or a dozen other states that contribute jack shite to this country.
Yeah...you stink. Huntsville/Madison area is the home of Redstone Arsenal and Research Park...and even Decatur has a Boeing manufacturing plant and Dynetics just secured a contract for NASA to build a aerospace facility.
But you gotta admit, this country would lose a big drain on health care if it divested some states you defend.
I mean, lets be honest. That's diabetes central right there...that's a lot of "disability" spending private businesses have to endure (and pass on to the consumer) to accomadate the obese.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:28 pm to iamAG
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Who wants California to stay part of the USA
I'm fine if they aren't part of this country
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:37 pm to mahdragonz
Question is would they still be as successful as its own country? You can't take their success as a state and automatically say it will be just as good as its own country.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:47 pm to Crimson Wraith
quote:Well this study ( CA Tax Policy Center) is based on state and local debt, including unfunded liabilities, and the total estimated debt is about 1.3 trillion. With a GDP of about 2.5 trillion, the debt to GDP is about 52%.
CA is 1.8 trillion in debt. Sanctuary state.
The nation's debt to GDP ratio is over 100% and didn't includes unfunded liability, which combined is 6 times the national debt (about 120 trillion).
So just in the broad economic data alone, getting rid of a state that accounts for 14.6% of our GDP, and provides more in federal taxes than it recieves would be terrible for the US.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:48 pm to mahdragonz
They should pay tarriffs that amount to 90% of the Federal income, just like the South had to do before they decided to secede
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:50 pm to buckeye_vol
If California because it's own country, you don't think half of them would move to a US state?
I think they would, and if they started getting taxed like any other country the US does business with, wouldn't that take away half (or so) of that equation?
I think they would, and if they started getting taxed like any other country the US does business with, wouldn't that take away half (or so) of that equation?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:51 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Besides, I wouldn't want to lose any state, but saying one would rather lose a place like Mississippi than California is quite reasonable and easily defensible.
But you gotta admit, this country would lose a big drain on health care if it divested some states you defend.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 10:56 pm to buckeye_vol
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but saying one would rather lose a place like Mississippi than California is quite reasonable and easily defensible.
Just think if Google was to move to Mississippi how rich the workers would be in just cost of living alone.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:16 pm to PaperTiger
quote:I really don't know how many will leave, and I'm sure someone would go to California too. So it's hard to say how many and who.
If California because it's own country, you don't think half of them would move to a US state?
quote:Not necessarily. The problem would be that due to geography and established infrastructure, some of the most valuable entities couldn't just pack up and leave overnight, if at all, when if those in power wanted to. And even those who could, may not find the costs too great to justify. While others would just not want to move regardless.
I think they would, and if they started getting taxed like any other country the US does business with, wouldn't that take away half (or so) of that equation?
And although jobs would likely increase if people moved to across the United States, taking away California's nearly 40 million and then adding 20 million, would increase the new USA's (49 states) population by about 6.48%. The new USA's population estimated growth has been about 0.75% per year since 2010. So that would mean the new USA would have to adjust to a population growth about 8.7 times the average growth (not even including the typical growth). I just don't think it would be feasible for a mass migration in any short period of time since that would require a lot of resources and infrastructure that probably hasn't been planned for. That can't happen overnight.
So in the end, I think regardless of what would happen afterwards, it would be terrible for the US and California. So anybody arguing for this is arguing from a fundamentally irrational perspective. Luckily I doubt it would happen.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:22 pm to 1loyalbamafan
quote:Well I doubt they would pay as much for those jobs, and there would be some serious brain drain in the company. Mississippi just don't seem like a prime destination for most anyone not from there, let alone someone from the bay area. Of course, Mississippi would probably be one of the last states they would choose to move, Maybe a place like North Dakota would be reasonable. There are places in the south (Atlanta, Nashville, etc.) that would be reasonable options.
Just think if Google was to move to Mississippi how rich the workers would be in just cost of living alone.
Posted on 9/2/17 at 12:46 am to AU_Right
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Yeah...you stink. Huntsville/Madison area is the home of Redstone Arsenal and Research Park...and even Decatur has a Boeing manufacturing plant and Dynetics just secured a contract for NASA to build a aerospace facility. Raytheon and LG out by the airport, the FBI just expanded their facilities on the Arsenal...the list goes on. SoCal is terrible.
You're right man. Alabama is way better than Southern Cal. Way better.
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