re: Who do you think is behind the deep state?

Trump is an outsider, period. I have said consistently on this board that I believe the NSA was created to secretly spy on our politicians to gather incriminating information in order to keep them in line when it came to supporting policies that reinforce American political orthodoxies.

Trump is a wild card. He is a billionaire who isn't beholden to anyone to advance his career or wealth. He also comes across as a loose cannon who isn't bound by the typical ingratiating and pandering. I believe these qualities scare the hell out of the political and media establishment.

I think for repubs, it's the idea they are fighting a losing battle demographically. They believe they have to adapt/co-opt certain liberal positions that appeal to these demos in order to survive.

In the process of self preservation they find themselves aligning with the more insidious deep state (left). It's like a flailing desperation to hold onto power.

They were afraid of Trump not because of what he said he would do, but because he couldn't possibly succeed in doing it.

But he is starting to change the landscape of politics as usual and winning many of them over. He is showing them there is still time to fight and they can win. Many of them are being won over. Several will never be convinced that their vision of the inevitable won't come to pass.

I do think there is a difference between what we call deep state (right) and deep state (left). It comes down to motivations. The old guard right thinks they have read the tea leaves and are in survival mode. The left is driven purely by ideology. They look and act the same at times but they are not.

Trump can save the GOP.

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The idea that the Deep State is a conspiracy ignores reality. There is a permanent class of people in Washington, most of whom are unelected, whose job is to perpetuate American political orthodoxy, regardless of which party is in power.

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I can buy that to an extent

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These political orthodoxies are not only protected by those in government, but our mainstream media serves as a gatekeeper to reinforce these narratives.

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This is demonstrably false

You would have not seen such opposition to the Iraq War in the media if what you stated is fact.

Ask Phil Donahue and Ashleigh Banfield, two employees of "liberal" MSNBC, what happened to them when they criticized the Iraq War. Fox News banned Ron Paul from a debate in the 2008 Primary for being anti-war. The only praise Trump has received from the mainstream media since he's been President is when he's bombed Syria. Where is our media's coverage of Afghanistan? Where is our media's coverage of our drone wars? Why is Frontline on PBS the only news program showing pictures of the dead Yemeni kids killed by our bombs? Why is the media failing to actually report on the substance of Assange and Snowden's leaks? And why is every Sunday morning talk show littered with warmongers and intelligence officials? The American media is a pack of war propagandists, plain and simple.

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"To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."

According to the web page of the group, the meetings are conducted under the Chatham House Rule, allowing the participants to use any information they gained during the meeting, but not to disclose the names of the speakers or any other participants. According to former chairman Étienne Davignon in 2011, a major attraction of Bilderberg group meetings is that they provide an opportunity for participants to speak and debate candidly and to find out what major figures really think, without the risk of off-the-cuff comments becoming fodder for controversy in the media.

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Bilderberg

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At no time in the history of all mankind has the quality of life for an average American citizen been better. Not one single time in history. The reason you're inventing a deep state is because you're bored and live an uneventful life. Its just not happening and if it were I pray to God it continues. Bc every single generation lives a life better than the one before them. And in all history there has been bat shite crazy loons like yourself that believe the world is going to hell in a handbasket. But instead the world just keeps on moving along and gets better and better every single year.

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And their objective is for that freedom you know to come to an end once they gain total control.

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So how do you explain how they screwed it up?

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The military telling them to cut the shenanigans or meet Mr. JDAM

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taken your property and forced you into servitude?

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You have no idea how close servitude was for the survivors that were not Einsatzgruppen'd

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I have said consistently on this board that I believe the NSA was created to secretly spy on our politicians to gather incriminating information in order to keep them in line when it came to supporting policies that reinforce American political orthodoxies.

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It's all about money.

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Hell Hearst once famously said: "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the War."

This country had tycoons controlling it within 100 years of it's inception. All politicians beholden to the powerbrokers behind the scenes.

That's why Presidents who have their own money and don't owe everyone under the Sun are dangerous to the status quo.

Kennedy had his own money.

While Obama's entire Presidency was simply paying everyone back...that's what he spent 8 years doing...paying everyone back for getting elected.

What a waste. We might as well only elect super wealthy people who are independant of the system...at least they might get something done beyond constantly paying back and campaigning for relection from Day 1 like Obama.

Are you saying it’s Karl Mohammed?