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re: White House preparing for major narrative shift: sudden deaths = Long COVID, not the vaxx.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:05 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:05 pm to TigerDoc
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But we've gotten people embracing an extreme form of skepticism that's beyond the evidence.
Are you talking about ivermectin?
Because it sounds like you're talking about ivermectin.
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Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:07 pm to GumboPot
Trying not to scare the vexed anymore. I Gert it
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:11 pm to Flats
There wasn't really any research on that by that point either. HCQ was the hot populist med du jour at that time.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:14 pm to TigerDoc
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where we didn't have effective treatments yet
And just like that, you go full retard again. I'm done with you, it's like talking to a detached door knob.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 3:17 pm to Tomatocantender
Quit when you like or tell me what the evidence base was for treatments in November 2020 when the Pfizer vaccine was approved.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:38 pm to TigerDoc
quote:That’s called compliance. Not critical thinking.
I supported lockdowns based on the consensus
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:41 pm to TigerDoc
quote:as was the vax. My social feed’s were filled daily with people posting pics of themselves getting vax, or their vax card.
HCQ was the hot populist med du jour at that time.
Considering that posting your vax wouldn’t get you immediately banned on social media, like even mentioning HCQ or ivermectin… which was the most populist med?
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 6:44 pm to Taxing Authority
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as was the vax. My social feed’s were filled daily with people posting pics of themselves getting vax, or their vax card.
He was deflecting anyway by bringing up HCQ. He knows the point I was making about ivermectin, I just have little patience for coy and didn't feel like correcting him.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 8:32 pm to GumboPot
What the frick does climate change have to do with this?
Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:33 pm to Flats
it’s ironic that ivermectin is a mirror image of the how the mRNA vaccines are seen by the medical populist community. It got a lot of buzz for early studies with strong results, but many got withdrawn from meta-analyses for fraud and major errors and later better-controlled studies fizzled, but the community has stuck with it despite (because of?) it. Both HCQ and ivermectin ended up winning some credibility among medical populists due to enthusiasts promoting them even as they got “cancelled” as the experts soured on them, but ivermectin seems to have really been the overall folk remedy/contrarian fave by the end
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:12 pm to TigerDoc
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many got withdrawn from meta-analyses for fraud and major errors
Shut up, fricking idiot.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:54 pm to TigerDoc
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medical populist community
I don’t think you understand what “populist” means.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:04 pm to TigerDoc
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It actually is quite practical - we have increased conflicts with others due to difficulties with agreement on trustworthiness of sources (e.g., I trust the CDC more than the ethical skeptic, but you probably do the reverse). How can that be resolved?
You’re stuck on some wordy pseudo-intellectual esoteric BS level, and have forgotten that 2+2 always equals 4. It doesn’t matter who thinks otherwise, or how many others they convince of this, or who calls them experts - if they add 2 and 2 and don’t get 4, they’re wrong.
It’s not much of a conflict in terms of the trustworthiness of the CDC compared to about anybody. That organization has proven beyond doubt a willingness to lie, ignore basic facts, and gaslight the duck out of those prone to be gaslighted.
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I supported lockdowns based on the consensus understanding of the illness transmission models at the time - droplet borne infection with a relatively low R0.
First, it wasn’t consensus. There Aleeve slot of adults that always understood the folly of the lockdowns.
That you supported the lockdowns blows me away. You’re an MD, right? And as we entered the lockdowns you never thought through what the lockdowns could never accomplish and what they’d probably (instead) result in?
That’s wild.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:11 pm to David_DJS
Why is it wild to hold a common position in one’s profession? You should expect things that are common, right?
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:17 pm to David_DJS
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That you supported the lockdowns blows me away. You’re an MD, right?
Why would he care? Probably didn’t impact his income a bit.
Support for the lockdowns had a strong correlation to whether or not one’s own ox was getting gored.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:23 pm to Flats
Interests absolutely influence beliefs. Upton Sinclair said “it’s hard to get a man to see what what his income depends on him not seeing.” Lots of small business owners opposed social distancing mandates for financial reasons. It makes sense that they would.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:33 pm to TigerDoc
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Why is it wild to hold a common position in one’s profession?
Because I expect more of people. You supporting lockdowns without ever considering/questioning them is crazy.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:39 pm to TigerDoc
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Interests absolutely influence beliefs. Upton Sinclair said “it’s hard to get a man to see what what his income depends on him not seeing.”
Do you make a habit of assuming that nobody but you really sees the truth? Seeing isn’t necessarily the issue, it’s seeing reality and then weighing the costs. We trade lives for convenience every second of every day, and intelligent people understood that when considering lockdowns.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:41 pm to David_DJS
40% of the American people believe in demons, David. Lower your expectations. 
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:43 pm to David_DJS
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Because I expect more of people.
I don’t, and I expect even less from authoritarians.
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