re: Which Of Our Neocon Brethren Believe A Failed Iranian State Secures Freedom For Iranians?

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If you don’t realize you could wipe your arse with what they thought of that treaty you’re an idiot

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Serious States sign treaties like this. Pariah states don’t.

It’s no secret US intelligence agencies are corrupt.

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You’re drawing conclusions based on broad historical record involving thousand year old Arab clans that don’t exist in Iran.

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I did not mention or make any reference to “Arab clans” in Iran. My initial post centers on the historical impacts of past U.S. interventions in the Middle East, particularly in Iran, Syria, and Egypt, and the long-lasting consequences of these actions.

My argument is focused on the documented history of U.S. foreign intervention in the Middle East and its long-term consequences, particularly in relation to past regime change efforts in Iran. Any objective analysis of the historical record supports the conclusion that these regime change policies in the Middle East have destabilized the region and have endangered American lives.

I certainly claim no unique historical insight here: my “premise” — such as it is — is wholly supported by the documented history of past U.S. backed regime changes in the Middle East. Rather than a mere proposition, the historical evidence is consistent, demonstrating that these military interventions in the affairs of Middle Eastern nations repeatedly present unforeseen consequences years or even decades afterwards.

The current regime in Iran is itself a part of this broader historical pattern and serves as a searing indictment against past U.S. interventions that continue to haunt the region. Any discussion of “Arab clans” is wholly irrelevant to the points I’m raising here.

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Many Trump fanboys now seem giddy that Trump 2.0 has apparently morphed into a neocon restoration project

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Trump fanbois reacting to the new Bolton-Cheney-Graham war direction of neocon-"MAGA"-MIGA:



"Find us another war, Daddy!!" "Peace is for pussies!" "E-Files?? You no like? A hoax? WE AGREE!" "Deportations by the millions? Naah. If you changed you mind, WE have as well!" "So Handsome Pete -- whose arse do we blow up now?"

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A rather complicated chess game of competing powers in the newly formed CIA emerges — the Zionists vs. the anti-Zionists. And what a wicked game it was. Wilford illustrates how these agent provocateurs were very short sighted in their schemes and largely viewed the indigenous populations of the Middle Eastern nations as simple pawns in a larger chess game between the Great Powers.

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Interesting take.

I would argue that even and especially "the indigenous populations" of Western Europe, the US, Canada and Australia are ALL "pawns" and victims of the "Great Powers", aka the Luciferian Shadow Elites ( who are known to hang at places like Davos and tiny island retreats.)

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The current regime in Iran is itself a part of this broader historical pattern and serves as a searing indictment against past U.S. interventions that continue to haunt the region.

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100%

How can any fair, impartial political observers possibly ignore your stark point?

One must ask: IS the US just still an extension of a British East India Company that never truly dissolved back in the 1800s? Because this is exactly how they rolled.

"Interventionism" in legaleze by any other name: Piracy & Plunder by, of, and for the Corporate Empire

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Oh well a ....book

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Reading comprehension too low for it?

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Irans freedom will be determined by the Iranian people.

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I am in complete agreement.

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Not by distant do-gooders like you.

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It is a non-sequitur. I have focused little on humanitarian — i.e. “do-gooder” — concerns here.

My critique is focused primarily on the effectiveness and the unintended, disastrous results of these regime operations — not about attempting to “do good” in the sense of improving human rights or promoting humanitarian values in the region. These repeated regime change operations have proven disastrous for the U.S. both militarily and politically and are thus diametrically opposed to a true MAGA agenda.

Yet to further clarify my position, my opposition to this war is not primarily driven by claims about the “immorality” of attacking a brutal and authoritarian regime such as Iran or even the alleged “genocide” in Gaza. More broadly, I am skeptical of appeals for moral urgency centered on these concerns.

Historically, the two primary sects of Islam have often exhibited hostility toward Western values such as pluralism, individual liberty, and secular governance. I also perceive a pattern in which Islamic politicians in this nation and Europe align with the globalist left.

In my opinion, this alignment reflects a shared antagonism in Islam toward Western cultural values. For these reasons, I tend to view idealistic appeals for empathy or solidarity with Islamic societies as politically naïve.

My opposition to these hegemonic wars largely stems from historical precedent. The Vietnam War and the Iraq War illustrate a recurring dynamic in American politics: while self-described conservatives are focused on pursuing military hegemony abroad, progressives consolidate their power domestically through the expansion of the welfare state.

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Our job is to rid the world of unelected, murderous regimes that openly want to kill our people.

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Our people? The other regional powers in the Middle East most threatened by Iran all have modern and efficient militaries.

Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf Kingdoms all oppose Iran’s hegemonic ambitions in the region. These nations are fully capable of forming a military to coalition to counter Iranian aggression.

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It's up to them to rebuild. It's up to us to make sure weak limpwrists like yourself don't let extremists get the bomb.

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The only silver lining to this disaster is knowing that no one will ever listen to your opinion seriously about anything ever again. Enjoy the wilderness.

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I don’t think Iran is really comparable to Iraq/Afghanistan. The Persians were a majority secular, westernized country prior to Carter’s dumbass meddling that lead to the Islamic Republic. Not the case in Iraq/Afghanistan.

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Correct! I’m not for protracted endless wars but by the same token we do have national security interests that call for military action on occasion and that actually helps deter more involvement by the peace through strength principle. Because I don’t want us to be some other country’s little bitch doesn’t make me a neo-con. It makes me pragmatic.

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What's the point here?

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Picking winners and losers amongst these ancient sectarian death cults doesn’t secure our nation’s freedom. All the more reason to extract ourselves from the sand pit of vipers once and forever.