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re: When the Dims make claims of voter suppression what specifically are they talking about?

Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:01 pm to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:01 pm to
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it is the same segment that the Far Right wants to keep from voting.


There’s a big difference between not wanting someone to vote and wanting to keep them from voting. Who wants to do the latter?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:07 pm to
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There is a big segment of the population that I don't think SHOULD be in the voting booth. For the most part, it is the same segment that the Far Right wants to keep from voting.

This country would be lightyears better if in order to cast a vote that went into the pile that was actually counted you had to correctly answer a single easy question about the country. It could be a very easy one like:

Which coast is Kansas City on:

A) West Coast
B) East Coast
C) Kansas City isn't on a f'n coast

That one question would yield a balanced budget inside of 3 years.

(For liberals that don't live in Missouri, the answer is C)
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:07 pm to
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There’s a big difference between not wanting someone to vote and wanting to keep them from voting. Who wants to do the latter?
This is where the large bloc of posters who support repeal of the 19th Amendment should be chiming-in.

They would like to prevent women from voting, because they see women as being too emotional to vote objectively.

By the same token, I would support legislation limiting the franchise to those with an IQ exceeding 130 or 140, because anyone lower is just too fricking stupid to understand the issues and thus to vote.

Is there any real difference?
This post was edited on 3/7/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:08 pm to
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Which coast is Kansas City on:

A) West Coast
B) East Coast
C) Kansas City isn't on a f'n coast
I admit, I laughed.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117579 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:10 pm to
My favorite is:
"People in foreign countries should be allowed to vote for the US President."
This is not a joke. It was advocated by the NYT years ago. The logic was that people all over the world are effected by American policy so they should have a vote.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:12 pm to
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"People in foreign countries should be allowed to vote for the US President."
This is not a joke. It was advocated by the NYT years ago. The logic was that people all over the world are effected by American policy so they should have a vote.
Was it actually ADVOCATED by the Times, or was it just some random Op-Ed?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117579 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:17 pm to
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Was it actually ADVOCATED by the Times, or was it just some random Op-Ed?


The NYT stopped making a difference between the front page and the 'opinion page' a long time ago. In fact it used to be called 'editorial page'. It's probably got a new name now like 'discussion page.'
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:22 pm to
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This is where the large bloc of posters who support repeal of the 19th Amendment should be chiming-in.

They would like to prevent women from voting, because they see women as being too emotional to vote objectively.



Jesus fricking Christ, nobody is seriously proposing to do that, they are spitballing when they see the shrill emotional decision making process so many leftist women actually use.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:26 pm to
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Is there any real difference?


Yeah, because you’re talking about doing it legally. When you say “this group wants to keep blacks from voting” the implication is that they want to break out the dogs or something.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:29 pm to
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Jesus fricking Christ, nobody is seriously proposing to do that, they are spitballing when they see the shrill emotional decision making process so many leftist women actually use.

They're not even spitballing. They're being funny, f'n around. I tell my mother, sisters and daughters all the time that we need to #rethinkthe19th. They get that I'm just flicking shite, but then again every single one of them is a conservative, so . . .
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
834 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:35 pm to
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Far Right wants to keep from voting.


Almost everyone I know supports some sort of ID requirement, and controls on/elimination of mail-in voting etc.

Not a single one has ever expressed, even in conversation among like- minded people, any desire to actually prevent anyone from voting. It’s always about verifying that the voter/vote is legitimate and who they purport to be, and are voting for the candidate of their own personal choice
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Member since Jan 2007
55863 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:41 pm to
Anything that hampers their ability to cheat is considered voter suppression.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 3:52 pm to
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It’s always about verifying that the voter/vote is legitimate and who they purport to be, and are voting for the candidate of their own personal choice


I’ll quibble with that a little bit, because I also like to see some effort involved. I don’t want someone to be able to vote for the most powerful office in the US if not the world with the same ease they vote for American Idol or whatever pop culture slag is hot right now. “Text BLUE to this number to vote for Kamala Harris.” Make some time, go to a polling location. If they can’t manage that modicum of effort they should stick to voting for reality TV stars.
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14944 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:08 pm to
*Refusal to accept government-issued state university and college student ID’s;
*No early voting; Early voting restrictions;
*changing polling places and splitting or combining precincts close to election dates;
*voting out-of-precinct = no vote counted ;
*longer lines and fewer polling places in urban areas;
* short voter registration date restrictions and deadlines;
*restricted Election Day registration;
*Refusal to accept Native American tribal IDs or P.O. box addresses;
*Voter purging using unapproved or outdated voter information lists;
*voter purging close to election dates;
*absentee/mail-in ballot short return deadlines;
*Partisan gerrymandering;
*Deceptive practices- flyers, robocalls, websites giving inaccurate voting or polling place info;
*barriers for homeless voters to voter registration;
*restrictions in felony voters after sentence completed;
*Improper use of interstate voter registration crosscheck system -- matching based on first name, last name, and date of birth-- fails for practically all common American names.


Just to name a few.
Posted by Chet Donnely
Member since Sep 2015
1614 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:18 pm to
As usual, everything this guy just said is bullshite.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55738 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:20 pm to
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There is a big segment of the population that I don't think SHOULD be in the voting booth (about 75%, TBH). For the most part, it is the same segment that the Far Right wants to keep from voting.


I agree with ya Hank. I want informed voters determining the direction and future of our country. I’m not opposed to a really simple civics and current events test before a voter cast their vote. Make it a 5 question test with questions from a pool that any person applying for US citizenship would have to answer and mix in some current political topics.....you only need to get two answers correct before you vote? I would even put a government website together for the voters to help brush up and prepare for a test any semi conscious person could pass.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55738 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:23 pm to
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reducing days to vote.
reducing number of polling places.



I would change the General Election to 3 days.....I don’t care which 3 consecutive days. That’s plenty of time for Americans to vote, if your out of the country for whatever reason there could be arrangements to deal with that situation.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55738 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:28 pm to
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By the same token, I would support legislation limiting the franchise to those with an IQ exceeding 130 or 140, because anyone lower is just too fricking stupid to understand the issues and thus to vote.

Is there any real difference?


Now you’re going overboard. A person who’s going to cast a vote doesn’t need to be in the upper percentile on an IQ test to know the political issues of the day.....lol!
Posted by Uroblast
SE TN
Member since Jan 2010
172 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:29 pm to
Bingo. Just got my weekly email “news” update from The Atlantic. I know - why right? But I’ve had a subscription for 25 years and generally like reading both sides. But here is the “news” from the “newsletter” editor on an article by senior editor Brownstein. What in the hell! Note the use of “assault” and “voter suppression”. I’m sorry but requiring an ID to vote is a little more important than having to show one to get a pack of cigs or a bottle of T bird. If you can use an id to buy booze you can use it to vote. Maybe just let folks show their check stub from Biden Bucks check as proof of ID. Bet the IRS knows who lives where! Sorry for long rant and I’m not linking.

From The Atlantic:
“The future of voting rights in America is on the line. “It’s no exaggeration to say that future Americans could view the resolution of this struggle as a turning point in the history of U.S. democracy,” my colleague Ronald Brownstein explains.

Three things are happening at once: At the state level, Republicans are pushing a fresh batch of voter-suppression laws. And in Congress, Democrats are countering with national legislation to protect access to the ballot. The House votes on the first of two big bills tonight. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court is considering a major voting-rights case.

Federal legislation may be Democrats’ only chance to stop the assault by the GOP. The party “may have only a brief window” to use their “unified control of Washington to establish national election standards,” Ronald writes.
At the Supreme Court, the Voting Rights Act is hanging by a thread. The Court could further weaken the legislation’s protections. “With a gutted VRA, we will have a country where the forces of disenfranchisement are nearly unstoppable,” our senior editor Vann R. Newkirk II warns in our March issue.
Structural barriers Republicans can use to cling to power could make the coming years dangerous. “These same flammable ingredients were present in the 1850s, when a rising majority found it impossible to impose its agenda because of all the structural obstacles laid down by the retreating minority,” Ronald argued on the eve of the 2020 election.”
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55738 posts
Posted on 3/7/21 at 5:33 pm to
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Refusal to accept government-issued state university and college student ID’s;
*No early voting; Early voting restrictions;
*changing polling places and splitting or combining precincts close to election dates;
*voting out-of-precinct = no vote counted ;
*longer lines and fewer polling places in urban areas;
* short voter registration date restrictions and deadlines;
*restricted Election Day registration;
*Refusal to accept Native American tribal IDs or P.O. box addresses;
*Voter purging using unapproved or outdated voter information lists;
*voter purging close to election dates;
*absentee/mail-in ballot short return deadlines;
*Partisan gerrymandering;
*Deceptive practices- flyers, robocalls, websites giving inaccurate voting or polling place info;
*barriers for homeless voters to voter registration;
*restrictions in felony voters after sentence completed;
*Improper use of interstate voter registration crosscheck system -- matching based on first name, last name, and date of birth-- fails for practically all common American names.


Just to name a few.


Why haven’t the things you listed kept me, my family and everyone I know from voting? You’re digging for reasons to allow the Dims the power to harvest votes from people who ordinarily wouldn’t give two shits about getting off their asses to vote.
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