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When people talk about Nazi's in Ukraine why never talk about the Russian Nazi's there?

Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:27 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17241 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:27 am
For example in the occupied territory of Donetsk, where Russia has taken over -

Political parties active in the DPR include Donetsk Republic, the Communist Party of the Donetsk People's Republic, Free Donbas, and the New Russia Party. Donetsk Republic and the Communists endorsed Prime Minister Alexander Zakharchenko's candidature for the premiership in 2014. In the ensuing 2014 elections, the Communists were banned from participating independently because they had "made too many mistakes" in their submitted documents.Donetsk Republic gained a majority in the DPR People's Soviet with 68.53% of the vote and 68 seats. Free Donbas, including candidates from the Russian-nationalist extremist New Russia Party, won 31.65% of the vote and 32 seats.

Russian ethnic and imperialist nationalism has shaped the official ideology of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.

According to Vyacheslav Likhachev, the members of far-right groups played a greater role on the pro-Russian side of the conflict than on the Ukrainian side, especially at the beginning.

Pavel Gubarev, one of the leaders of the Donetsk People's Republic, was closely linked to the neo-Nazi party Russian National Unity (RNU) led by Alexander Barkashov, which recruited fighters. Gubarev, a former member of RNU, was the first "governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic which was installed by Moscow.


In particular, RNU is linked to the Russian Orthodox Army, a separatist group in Donbas, and Barkashov is said to have given instructions to its commander Dmitry Boytsov according to a published audio recording.

Volunteers from several other Russian far-right groups have joined the separatist militias, including members of the Eurasian Youth Union, the Russian Imperial Movement, and the banned Slavic Union and Movement Against Illegal Immigration

Other neo-Nazi groups fighting as part of the Donetsk People's Republic include the 'Svarozhich', 'Rusich' and 'Ratibor' battalions, which have Slavic swastikas on their badges.

Activists from the Nazbol group Other Russia have also been involved in pro-Russian unrest in Donbas, and formed the Interbrigades paramilitary group.

In July 2015, the head of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, said he respected Ukraine's far-right party Right Sector "when they beat up the gays in Kyiv and when they tried to depose Poroshenko. I realized that Pravy Sector are ordinary men like us".
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98069 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:27 am to
Damn bro you ppl are imploding
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
10112 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:28 am to
I'd rather discuss your misuse of apostrophes instead.

Edited to add: Give me Nazis over Communists any day.
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 9:29 am
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87353 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:28 am to
JJDoc is the leader in the Ukraine nazi argument, and I've said I think it's a reasonable position to take that you cannot give full throated support to Ukraine because of the Nazi elements.

But yeah, it's really weird to use it as a feather in Russia's cap, considering all of Eastern Europe and Russia are filled with similar sentiment.
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 9:29 am
Posted by Vandyrone
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2012
7980 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:30 am to
quote:

I'd rather discuss your misuse of apostrophes instead.

It’s an epidemic. Like nails on a chalkboard.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22758 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:36 am to
the Wagner group is all you need to know
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22758 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:37 am to
Russia has a nazi paramilitary group in ukraine now called the wagner group
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37548 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:39 am to
So if I read this right we should chose between degrees of Nazi?

Look, supply Zelensky with anti tank and small armaments until you fill up Poland with it for all I care. No uS boots moving across the Polish or Romanian frontiers. And no fricking planes.
Posted by Jack Daniel
Gold member
Member since Feb 2013
29349 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:52 am to
Majority of Americans will sacrifice anything for “safety” and comfort
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17241 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:55 am to
I strongly disagree. Now is the time for us to strike, while the Bear is reeling and weak.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22758 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:15 am to
quote:

I strongly disagree. Now is the time for us to strike, while the Bear is reeling and weak.
WTF are you for real? you are advocating for war w russia? are you fricking high?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37548 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 11:00 am to
That Bear has tactical nukes and if cornered will no doubt use them. Read Harry Kazianis in the Federalist on the war game scenario. Poor assumptions lead to disastrous policy decisions.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17241 posts
Posted on 3/10/22 at 11:28 am to
Russia's army is so badly furnished I think their nukes would go straight up and land on them. Like in a Road Runner vs Coyote cartoon.
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