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re: When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?

Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:04 pm to
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they can't


Why not?

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what body part is being taken from the mother by the state?


This is a bad way to look at it - it's more broadly about bodily autonomy and the state having the ability to tell you what to do with yours, be it donate a kidney or carry a baby to term.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464968 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:04 pm to
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Her body and the child's body are intertwined for the duration of the pregnancy. No way around it.




Bama is upset that

1. Humans gestate internally
2. Only females (sex) get pregnant

seriously, this is all just a big "it's not fair" temper tantrum justifying, quite often (But not always), murder

like i said earlier, her extremist ilk make it very difficult to be honest and admit that i'm pro choice, b/c then people think i'm her
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85787 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:04 pm to
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Unless she chooses not to continue a pregnancy - which affects HER body.



Even the language is silly

"chooses not to continue"

I believe there is an inherent reason people try to soften the practice when they discuss it, whether they want to acknowledge their motivation or not.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:04 pm to
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It's not moving the goalposts when you have to drag them back to their original place because some of you either don't understand the term or are purposefully redefining it so your arguments are only 50% as bad.

Your ENTIRE argument rests on the idea that the baby possesses or rather, should NOT possess any rights.

You don't really need 25 pages to say, "I don't give a frick about babies".

You could have saved yourself a lot of time
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21088 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:04 pm to
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It's not moving the goalposts when you have to drag them back to their original place because some of you either don't understand the term or are purposefully redefining it so your arguments are only 50% as bad
Nope, it's moving the goal posts. Period. You haven't provided one shred of proof to back up anything you have said. You are either too stupid or a coward. It's one or the other.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
74773 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:05 pm to
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IVF. You'd do better not to traffic in absolutes - this isn't the Q thread where anyone who points out your bullshite has their post deleted and gets a DM about not pissing off the idiots.


An ad hominem straw man? You don't get bonus points for stacking logical fallacies.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:05 pm to
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Found another one who doesn't know what 'bodily autonomy' means!


please define it for us


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Bodily autonomy is defined as the right to self governance over one’s own body without external influence or coercion.


LINK
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:05 pm to
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Bama is upset that

1. Humans gestate internally
2. Only females (sex) get pregnant

seriously, this is all just a big "it's not fair" temper tantrum

Yep
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:05 pm to
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That's not what viability means in this context.


Says the Nazi b!tch that lives and dies by semantics....
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464968 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:05 pm to
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Why not?

well they can, but it would violate our rights (in most circumstances. i'm sure there is some random arse exception or one could be created, like how Roe v. Wade created a right to abortion out of thin air)

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This is a bad way to look at it -

only if you want to be dishonest (like you are)

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t's more broadly about bodily autonomy

take it up with God, then
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41187 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:06 pm to
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take it up with God, then


She believes He should have been aborted
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:06 pm to
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You are either too stupid or a coward. It's one or the other.


I'm guessing for once in her Nazi life BamaAxis is multi-tasking and the answer is "both"....
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464968 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:06 pm to
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You don't really need 25 pages to say, "I don't give a frick about babies".

remember Bama called gestating humans "parasites" a week or 2 ago
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14511 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:06 pm to
Since we're painting with a broad brush, when did Democrats stop raising their kids and letting them turn feral?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:06 pm to
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Your analogy tried to flip the actors.


To make an accurate point about state coercion of an individual's bodily autonomy. You're attempting to skew it toward murder, when that's not the issue at all.


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In your analogy as compared to abortion, the person being forced to give up their kidney isn't being forced by the state


Oh, did you misread it? In my scenario, that person is being forced by the state - their choice in the matter is being taken away, directly, by the state.

Why are you okay with that choice being removed in some cases where life hangs in the balance, but not others?
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
21088 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:06 pm to
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take it up with God, then
Her kind don't believe in God except when trying to make an argument for something that she knows is wrong. Convenient, huh?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:07 pm to
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and when those terms were crafted, the "social contract" would have allowed punishment of women who aborted babies


I think we can all agree we've moved beyond the days of Christians burning witches at the stake - at least in the US.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:07 pm to
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remember Bama called gestating humans "parasites" a week or 2 ago


She says it on a message board.

That cowardly fk would NEVER say it in the real world.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134134 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:07 pm to
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It's not moving the goalposts when you have to drag them


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464968 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:07 pm to
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except when trying to make an argument for something that she knows is wrong. Convenient, huh?

well she's making fun of Bible beaters

which would make sense if she really thought this Bama bill was anything more than a political stunt (which the left did themselves not long ago, just on the opposite side). this is all just political pandering to get abortion as a 2020 campaign issue. nothing more
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