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re: When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?

Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:31 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:31 am to
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Which is why I said taxes are part of the social contract.

ok if we're getting this wacky

aborting babies violates the social contract, like any other crime against another person

ok. thread over. i win
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:32 am to
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Whether it's right or wrong to kill a baby depends on what technology is available.


Whether it's a viable human that requires the consent of the mother to live (because it's a part of her body) or not depends on what technology is available.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:32 am to
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that's what your definition of it means, though


It really isn't.
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:32 am to
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an individual's medical decisions.


ahh, the idiotic variant of the daily troll. not even worth responding.

which individual are you talking about? The one that's completely defenseless or the one with free will and the ability--should she wish--to control herself and use prophylactics?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:32 am to
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Because you can't force one human to give up fundamental rights to bodily autonomy to sustain another.

take it up with God
Posted by The Pirate King
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:33 am to
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The party of small government now wants the government to interfere in an individual's medical decisions.


You’re acting as if a viable fetus is a disease to get rid of and the government is denying the right to antibiotics.

No matter how much you try to dehumanize the unborn children, they are still human lives.
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:33 am to
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Name a form of birth control more effective than abstinence....


Even abstinence isn't 100% effective (see: Mary, the Virgin)

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:33 am to
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An IUD costs about $16/mo over 5 years. And if a woman can't afford that?


Then she shouldn’t have sex because she obviously cannot provide/afford the possible repercussions of the act of sex
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:33 am to
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Because what's deemed "convenient" for the mother is inconvenient AF for the person being aborted


Why do the fetus's rights supersede the mother's?
Posted by McLemore
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:33 am to
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requires the consent of the mother to live


if we were to leave my 6 month old alone in the house for a few days, with my consent and my wife's consent, do you think he'd be alive when we returned?
Posted by genro
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am to
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Whether it's a viable human that requires the consent of the mother to live (because it's a part of her body) or not depends on what technology is available.


Are we talking about breastfeeding mothers? Formula is far more expensive and difficult to obtain that contraception. That baby cannot survive without its mother
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am to
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When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?

Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am to
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just like how you're trying to argue that it's not a person, at least at a certain part during gestation


I've been very clear in what my definition for that is. I know it's not your definition, but it shouldn't be confusing you like it is.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am to
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When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?



Never
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am to
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Because you can't force one human to give up fundamental rights to bodily autonomy to sustain another. You can't force someone to give up a kidney to another person so that the latter will live.
Like you, a tremendously weak argument. Please for the love of God, provide something of actual substance. Are you too obtuse to do that?
Posted by Tigerinthewoods
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:34 am to
When “thou shalt not commit murder” began to make sense.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:35 am to
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Are they 100% effective?


No but abstinence is. But apparently it’s ineffective
Posted by BamaAtl
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:35 am to
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Don't be stupid.
This is about two bodies not one.


If the mother of a 6-week old fetus were to cease to exist tomorrow, how many living humans would there be in a month?
Posted by DemonKA3268
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:35 am to
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Even abstinence isn't 100% effective (see: Mary, the Virgin)



Funny you bring that up considering your ilk doesn't believe in God but I digress...
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 11:36 am
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:35 am to
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Why do the fetus's rights supersede the mother's?


you're comparing one person's right to live v. the other's "right" to kill (and even taking it down a notch, "right" to privacy, which doesn't actually exist, and right to do whatever short of killing another).

Even using the reductionist harm principle, your analysis is woefully pathetically flawed to the point of not deserving a response. I'm out.
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