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re: Whataburger apparently stapling applications to food bags.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:56 pm to Jack Carter
Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:56 pm to Jack Carter
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You left out the part where you busted your arse, made sacrifices and improved your situation with determination to achieve it all.
Economics isn't a hard science or even close to it, but if it has a law that you can count on like you can count on gravity, it's this: If you subsidize something, you will get more of that something. We subsidize single moms and laziness, and the results are extremely predictable.
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Posted on 9/25/21 at 6:56 pm to Henry Jones Jr
That is the most "unconservative" approach to economics I have ever heard.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:02 pm to oldskule
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That is the most "unconservative" approach to economics I have ever heard.
With regard to unemployment and welfare, I can be pretty unconservative at times.
Im opposed to them from a logical perspective, but I’ve known people through ministry that did bust their arse and do everything they could to get out of poverty, but their previous decisions dug too big a hole. For some, fortunately, the church was able to give a few steps up that perpetual welfare could not.
As a Christian, I’m opposed to holes that are too big to climb out off. I understand it can come to some illogical conclusions but at the end of the day I love my fellow man more than I love being right.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:02 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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I'm conservative as they come but it's a joke that wages haven't kept up with inflation.
If you think that's possible at this point you aren't paying attention.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:02 pm to Henry Jones Jr
On your knees! Submit! Kiss my butt. Government shouldn't be causing the problem and you shouldn't be willing to lay down over it.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:08 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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I’m lucky that I have a good education and a good paying job. However, if I had to take a job making minimum wage or even have 2 jobs to just survive, I would take the alternative of taking unemployment, making more sitting at home not working myself to death. Any sane person with those choices would rather not work
But that's definitely not the most responsible and reasonable course of action to take in this situation, because you have to consider where you'll stand once those benefits dry up. Where will you be when the music stops, so to speak. In that scenario will you have hamstrung yourself by choosing short term gain, at the cost of long term stability? In other words, the person who has sat at home with a little more money will be at a great disadvantage compared to the person who has taken a little less money and chosen to work diligently. Because that person will already be in a position to be promoted in his employment due to tenure and experience and the demonstration of reliable worker, whereas the person just now coming off benefits while sitting at home will be starting from scratch.
The choice to keep one's nose to the grindstone will pay dividends long after unemployment benefits go away.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:11 pm to Henry Jones Jr
There wasn’t a problem before Covid when we had record unemployment
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:12 pm to davyjones
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But that's definitely not the most responsible and reasonable course of action to take in this situation, because you have to consider where you'll stand once those benefits dry up. Where will you be when the music stops, so to speak. In that scenario will you have hamstrung yourself by choosing short term gain, at the cost of long term stability? In other words, the person who has sat at home with a little more money will be at a great disadvantage compared to the person who has taken a little less money and chosen to work diligently. Because that person will already be in a position to be promoted in his employment due to tenure and experience and the demonstration of reliable worker, whereas the person just now coming off benefits while sitting at home will be starting from scratch.
I regrettably agree with this.
I’d rather flip burgers entry level at Whataburger and lose my house than take a cent of unemployment.
It’s a pride issue.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:15 pm to davyjones
Exactly. That’s what I’ve been saying. The people working through this are going to benefit the most, while the people who didn’t get left the scraps. They have nobody to blame but themselves
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:19 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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I'm conservative as they come but it's a joke that wages haven't kept up with inflation
In 1980, minimum wage was $3.10. In today's dollars, that's $10.29
EVERY fast food joint near me is starting people at wages greater than that. Wendy's down the road is starting at $13 per hour. Another place has a sign for $15 per hour.
Do NOT confuse "min wage hasn't risen with inflation to mean anything. There are NOWHERE NEAR as many people on min wage as a percent of population today as then. It's not even close.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:20 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Why would you expect manual labor to "keep up with inflation"? Manual labor has been deflating in value since the industrial revolution. Technology is only making that happen quicker. Simultaneously, we are creating massive amount of monetary liquidity. And lets not forget the constant stream of immigrant labor.
I'm conservative as they come but it's a joke that wages haven't kept up with inflation.
Seriously... why would ANYONE expect the free market value for unskilled labor to be steady muchless increasing?
That makes no sense. None.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:21 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:And this is just completely retarded. The government is competing with employers for frick's sake! Which, ya know. Is kinda easy because well, 1)the government can print its own money and 2)the money the government is using to compete with employers came from...........EMPLOYERS!
If you can't find anyone to work for you because of unemployment, then pay more than unemployment.
I mean seriously. You haven't the faintest idea what "conservative' means.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:22 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Because most unskilled labor doesn't produce that much value. Should someone expect to make a "living wage" for making wooden wagon wheels?
Expecting a living wage is ridiculous? Why?
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:23 pm to oldskule
EDIT: wrong dude. Sorry.
This post was edited on 9/25/21 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:24 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:While somewhat true, I'd argue that manual labor has actually one reasonably well up against inflation.
Why would you expect manual labor to "keep up with inflation"? Manual labor has been deflating in value since the industrial revolution
As I pointed out in my earlier post, in today's dollars, 1980 minimum wage would be 10.29. And, almost everyone in Fast food STARTED at min wage.
TODAY, fast food joints are paying at least that and literally every FF joint in my are is 30ish % more.
In practical terms, if you are making minimum wage today, you are in a job that could not have even existed in 1980. You are literally ONLY employed BECAUSE minimum wage hasn't kept pace.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:25 pm to 3nOut
quote:Government taking money at the end of a gun IS NOT the charity that Christianity requires.
As a Christian, I’m opposed to holes that are too big to climb out off. I understand it can come to some illogical conclusions but at the end of the day I love my fellow man more than I love being right.
Nothing prevents you from helping the unfortunate. If you need government to force you to do it... it's not really charity at all.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:26 pm to davyjones
quote:It's also how one escapes minimum wage positions...
The choice to keep one's nose to the grindstone will pay dividends long after unemployment benefits go away.
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:27 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Not to mention the term "living wage" has no real meaning.
Because most unskilled labor doesn't produce that much value. Should someone expect to make a "living wage" for making wooden wagon wheels?
Is it the amount a spouse wants in a job they'd like to only do 20 hours per week in to supplement the family? Or, is it the amount a father needs to raise 3 kids? Or, the amount a single mother of 4 needs?
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:29 pm to SuperDad
quote:It has (in price). And it's also pretty obvious that the American worker has priced themselves out of the market place.
While somewhat true, I'd argue that manual labor has actually one reasonably well up against inflation.
I bought a Chinese made TV stand recently. As I looked at, I realized you couldn't get the box packed in the US for the price I paid for it, much less cut, welded, tapped/threaded, and painted.
This post was edited on 9/25/21 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 9/25/21 at 7:34 pm to SuperDad
quote:I know people with mid-six-figure incomes that couldn't stroke a check for $5k without it bouncing.
Not to mention the term "living wage" has no real meaning.
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