re: What would america's literacy rate be if

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if they refuse to learn, what can we do? if they refuse to put in work? if they refuse to pay attention?

don't be dense. this does not apply to every inner city student, but you are lying if you don't accept that this is the norm

the backbone of the problem of education in inner cities is the students. and it pisses me off because there are plenty of willing students who ARE denied education by pieces of shite who disrupt classes and bring the teaching level down to their level. they anger me because innocent kids who want to learn get fricked, and afterward there is little we can do for them

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Criminals in inner city schools?

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que? who was discussing crime?

being a disruptive, ignoramus isn't criminal behavior in inner city schools...it's the norm

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I'd bet lower than it is now.

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why?

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Yep. When your education professionals are spending an inordinate amount of time on a few students, it screws over those who do want to learn.

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Why do you think there are more issues with conduct? Is it the "culture" ?

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Poor conduct is a big problem in inner city schools?

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have you been to one lately?

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Does that make it more expensive or less expensive to deliver an education of a given quality?

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more expensive

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I'm sure if I let you rattle on you would continue to unwittingly list the reasons a given quality of education is more costly in inner city schools than elsewhere - yet at the end of the day you'd still sit in puzzlement over the fact so much is spent in inner cities schools - compared to other schools - and the schools are still shite.

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lots of bad management and red tape from the feds is a big reason for the waste (charter schools that get away from the red tape have some mixed, but often improved, results)

bad culture/students wasting resources (as discussed prior) is another reason for the waste

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Why do you think there are more issues with conduct? Is it the "culture" ?

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that and crazy checks

once a kid gets identified with a bullshite disorder (done by parents to get the crazy check), the teachers and admin are handcuffed in how they they discipline the kids. over time the kid learns there are minimal (if any) consequences by admins for bad behavior

also cultures of lower class mentality value the physical over the mental, so this leads to conflict. devaluing education and raising the perceived value of physical prowess isn't conducive to learning

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Well are students getting a quality education in the inner cities? If not oh wise one what is the fix?

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It would probably take double what is being paid now. Teacher-student ratios would have to drastically go up, as well as things like more disciplinarians and guidance counselors, and after school activities. The taxpayers aren't willing to actually foot the bill to education the inner-city poor. It costs more to do anything in the city - and it costs more to education poor people than less poor people. The latter may seem counter-intuitive at first but its really quite obvious.

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Sure it is. When mon and dad don't care, Jr don't care.

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So poor people do - or don't - care about education?

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With many of these kids the idea is to keep their arse in a seat, not have them learn anything meaningful.

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So is it harder or easier to education these kids?

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So more money, more money, more money.

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I think that's what I said, yes.

Okay so how do we pay for it?