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re: What would america's literacy rate be if

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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:08 pm to
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I didn't say you used it. Its the subject of this thread. If you want to write posts unconstricted by the context of the OP, start a thread with the title "" and post whatever you want.



Gotcha. So every post should reference the OP, just as you do in ever post you make.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:09 pm to
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Gotcha. So every post should reference the OP, just as you do in ever post you make.





Is that what I said? Maybe you should look up "reading comprehension" ?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:10 pm to
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We should throw those kids away. What wastes.

i don't believe we should "Throw them away", but what can we do with them after the choices they've made to ignore education?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298659 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:11 pm to

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I reject your apparent presumption that poor people do not value education.



That was never my presumption, and I'm starting to think something is very wrong with you.

Where in the hell did you come up with that?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:18 pm to
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i don't believe we should "Throw them away", but what can we do with them after the choices they've made to ignore education?



So its the fault of inner city school children themselves they aren't getting educated?

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:18 pm to
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Where in the hell did you come up with that?
He has a deluded little mind. He cannot fathom that many current plights of the poor are the result of culture, rather than the "evil system". The fact of the matter is that americans have sacrificed so much money to give inner city kids an education, and in return we get 70% out-of-wedlock birthrates and downright embarrassing gun murders everyday. TUba willingly ignores that and shits on "THE SYSTEM" whenever he has a chance.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:19 pm to
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That was never my presumption, and I'm starting to think something is very wrong with you.
Just figuring that out?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:20 pm to
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He cannot fathom that many current plights of the poor are the result of culture,


Its awfully convenient to dismiss problems in the education system as due to "culture", isn't it? That way we don't have to deal with them.
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. The fact of the matter is that americans have sacrificed so much money to give inner city kids an education

Clearly, its not been enough.
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and in return we get 70% out-of-wedlock birthrates and downright embarrassing gun murders everyday.

So we send the kids to the ovens now?


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298659 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:21 pm to
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He has a deluded little mind. He cannot fathom that many current plights of the poor are the result of culture, rather than the "evil system".


Right. He seems to believe that poor people can't learn, or that we think poor people can't learn.

Either way, he's wrong.

There are subcultures that do not value education. We've given everyone a path to success, it's there for the taking. You can't throw enough money at the problem to force people who don't value education, to be successful.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74134 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:22 pm to
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So we send the kids to the ovens now?
I am through with you. I did not say that, ever. What a damn strawman. "sending kids to the oven". Isn't that what you filthy liberals do when you trot out the talking point that "abortion saves the taxpayer money?" What a smug little douche you are.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74134 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:23 pm to
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Clearly, its not been enough.
It is never enough for you people. You know why? Because it is ALWAYS the fault of the system in your warped mind.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:23 pm to
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Right. He seems to believe that poor people can't learn, or that we think poor people can't learn.



Of course they can, they just need to change their "culture".


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You can't throw enough money at the problem to force people who don't value education, to be successful.


Since you aren't presuming that inner city poor folks don't value education - I fail to see the relevance of the above statement. It would appear to be non sequitor.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:24 pm to
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So its the fault of inner city school children themselves they aren't getting educated?

if they refuse to learn, what can we do? if they refuse to put in work? if they refuse to pay attention?

don't be dense. this does not apply to every inner city student, but you are lying if you don't accept that this is the norm

the backbone of the problem of education in inner cities is the students. and it pisses me off because there are plenty of willing students who ARE denied education by pieces of shite who disrupt classes and bring the teaching level down to their level. they anger me because innocent kids who want to learn get fricked, and afterward there is little we can do for them
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298659 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:24 pm to
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That was never my presumption, and I'm starting to think something is very wrong with you.
Just figuring that out?



I've heard that in addition to lacking common sense, this guy has some severe social problems. I never dreamed it was this bad.

He's supposed to be a bright guy but makes some ridiculously stupid comments.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:24 pm to
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It is never enough for you people.

My "people" have plenty enough. Thanks for your concern.

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You know why? Because it is ALWAYS the fault of the system in your warped mind.



What do you mean? Its never the fault of the system. NEVER!

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298659 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:25 pm to
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Since you aren't presuming that inner city poor folks don't value education


The only person who's made this presumption is yourself.

WTF is wrong with you? It's been explained in detail, twice.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90495 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:25 pm to
I think he is still emotionally scarred from getting his fat arse stuffed in a trash can.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:25 pm to
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There are subcultures that do not value education.

it's part of the "lower class mentality"

it applies across race, country, and/or religion
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298659 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:26 pm to
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I think he is still emotionally scarred from getting his fat arse stuffed in a trash can.




Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74134 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:27 pm to
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it pisses me off because there are plenty of willing students who ARE denied education by pieces of shite who disrupt classes and bring the teaching level down to their level.
TUba is a part of the problem. He regularly votes for politicians who block the creation of charter schools, choice, and competition in the public education sphere.
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