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re: What Trump has done with violent crime in 1 year is remarkable

Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:25 pm to
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:25 pm to
I don't say these things to illicit a positive reaction out of you. That would be the day.

Enjoy your millionth shitshow on this board which definitely isn't your fault.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40404 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:27 pm to
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RogerTheShrubber


Have you found a job yet?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:29 pm to
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Why does Trump have no control?

Federal policy, regardless if it's Trump, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Bush, etc. has minimal impact on total criminal rates because the federal system handles a very small % of total cases.

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Who's decision was it to call in National Guard to DC.

DC is a federal district, so it is unique.

It was already cratering there, too, though

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Total violent crime for 2024 in the District of Columbia is down 35% from 2023 and is the lowest it has been in over 30 years, according to data collected by the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) and announced by United States Attorney Matthew M. Graves.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:30 pm to
You do realize that my stances have all remained consistent, right?
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
40920 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:30 pm to
Because 100% of your schtick it to attack Trump and anything Republicans do all the while saying you aren't a liberal.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:32 pm to
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Because 100% of your schtick it to attack Trump

This thread should show that's much more of a myth created by others.

I made no statements that can be interpreted by a reasonable person to be critical of Trump, but people displaying extreme cognitive biases keep pushing that claim.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293233 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:32 pm to
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Have you found a job yet?


Plenty. I've worked decades longer than you.


Just tired of supporting Populists, so I retired. Whens your next Donny Stimulus?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68760 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:32 pm to
You have no stance. That's my point. Without posts to pick apart here, you'd be a tree falling in the woods.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35118 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:35 pm to
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So what did Biden do to start this post-Covid spike decrease?

This appears to be another deployment of deflectionism to circumvent the topic.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:36 pm to
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You have no stance.

But, in this specific instance, I clearly do.

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Without posts to pick apart here, you'd be a tree falling in the woods.

That's literally everyone on here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:37 pm to
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This appears to be another deployment of deflectionism to circumvent the topic.

No it's education on the topic because people seem to think Trump started this, when it started while Biden was President (note, I'm specifically NOT saying Biden caused the decrease in crime following the post-Covid spike. It just happened while he was President)
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26852 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:37 pm to
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Post-Covid spike? Check



Calling it a spike is circular logic, it's assuming your conclusion (that it was going to come down post covid no matter what).

The increase in crime could also be BLM + Biden and it's coming back down due to people realizing that defending the police, like most all prog policies, is actually retarded.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
68760 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:40 pm to
Some of us pick apart ideas, not recall something somemone said before like a TD database and make that the topic, Rag.

But yes, you have plenty of company. I'm happy you sound happy with it. It's a numbers game anyway right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:41 pm to
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Calling it a spike is circular logic


What?

Can you read a graph?

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, it's assuming your conclusion (that it was going to come down post covid no matter what).


No it's using hindsight to analyze the data post-hoc.

You're trying to morph my argument into one of prediction, which it is not. I had no idea in 2022 what was going to happen with the post-Covid increase. If I had, and you were responding to THAT mythical prediction, then your point above would be correct.

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The increase in crime could also be BLM

Theoretically, but the term "Post-Covid spike" isn't attributing it to Covid. It's placing the spike temporally, which came directly after the major national shutdowns following Trump declaring a national emergency.

I'm not arguing anything about the cause of the spike or the cause of the decline.

Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
15779 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:41 pm to
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I said last year crime would continue to go down under Trump and the post-Covid spike was non-partisan.


Yes you did you disingenuous frick, but you are attributing this to the admin that let 18-25 million illegal immigrants. It's not fricking possible.

And you patronize everyone as if we aren't out living our lives.

Trump brings in the National Guard to DC and it's the first weekend that NOT A SINGLE frickING MURDER HAPPENS, but lying communist morons like you just can't help yourself.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:43 pm to
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Some of us pick apart ideas,

Did you not miss my first real post ITT?

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If the majority of posters on this board are intellectually consistent, they will claim these are made up/fake numbers and the Trump admin is cooking the books.


I picked apart the idea that the data was all faked.

Lots of people who promoted that idea are now doing a 180 and promoting the idea that the data is legitimate. I've argued, for some time, the idea that it is legitimate, and other ancillary arguments (like that people are relying on emotions, specifically fear, to ignore data and curling up in a "common sense" rejection of reality, and to create partisanship where it shouldn't belong, etc.)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:45 pm to
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Yes you did you disingenuous frick, but you are attributing this to the admin that let 18-25 million illegal immigrants

I am specifically not.

I'm not attributing either the spike or decline post-spike to any admin.

You're proving an ancillary point to what I posted to tigermyth in real time. so thank you. You're wrong, so sorry for that, but it helps my overall point.

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Trump brings in the National Guard to DC and it's the first weekend that NOT A SINGLE frickING MURDER HAPPENS, but lying communist morons like you just can't help yourself.

Again, you may want to look at the 2024 data from DC.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26852 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:45 pm to
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I'm not arguing anything about the cause of the spike


So, depending on the cause of the initial increase, theoretically it might not have dropped?

More specificily, if it was due to defend the police policies and those policies were not reversed crime could have stayed higher?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:47 pm to
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So, depending on the cause of the initial increase, theoretically it might not have dropped?


Crime? No it rose after Covid and dropped starting around 2023. Later in 2023, IIRC.

You don't need to know the cause to see the data on crime.

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if it was due to defend the police policies and those policies were not reversed crime could have stayed higher?

Again, I'm not going into anything about the cause of the spike or the cause of the decline.

That will take a long time to sort out.
Posted by Stonehenge
Wakulla Springs
Member since Dec 2014
2402 posts
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:49 pm to
More MAGA fiction.
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