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re: What is your best argument to send U.S. tax payer money to Israel.

Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:09 am to
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:09 am to
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The counter argument is you have a lot of people in your district that want the roads and bridges fixed and they have grown wary of spending tax dollars on overseas projects as the debt continues grow and gets refinanced at higher rates.




Economic aid to foreign countries is a drop in the bucket of the total government expenditures. If we completely cut it all off it would be essentially a rounding error on the budget, that's not where the massive amounts of debt comes from.

If you want to solve the debt then social security, Medicaid, Medicare, and military expenditures all need reform and cutting.

Israel is the only western country in the entirety of the Middle East and provides valuable intelligence for the US. I don't agree with siding with them on everything like some people do but I don't advocate for cutting off defense aid for them either. The idea that we can't pay for road repairs because of economic aid to countries like Israel is a farce.

The US gets a great deal of influence globally via economic aid and if done right is a better investment than more military expenditures.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3684 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:11 am to
This is correct. BUT just like the European governments, our “charity” allows them to increase socialist policies and pay for them because they don’t have to spend as much on defense.
I’m tired of paying for everyone’s defense when we have not our own problems including a massive national debt.

PS. As someone who worked for the DOD & DOS all over the Middle East and Africa I can tell you for a fact that Israel gladly accepts what we give them then reverse engineer it and make it on their own and sell it while still accepting large sums of money to develop things they have.
One small example from ten years ago. We give them multiple FLIR StarIII cameras and moving mapping systems AND money to develop their own. They make their own and then sell them.
So not only are we giving them a camera and mapping system for free, we’re paying them to produce their own and sell it. They make a lot of money doing this.
PSS. Unlike China, Israel usually will make what we give them better than ours once they’ve reengineered it BUT will not share the upgraded engineering with us. Kinda dick
Posted by Antoninus
Ravenna
Member since Sep 2023
1089 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:11 am to
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The security of Israel is for God or does God require a foreign nation to save Israel?
I suspect He uses whatever tools He has at hand.

Much as when He dealt with Boudreaux, Thibodeaux, the flood, the pickup, the helicopter and the pirogue.

St. Peter: "He sent you a pickup. He sent you a pirogue. And then he sent you a helicopter."
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 11:44 am
Posted by gothamdawg
NYC
Member since Nov 2015
1395 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:13 am to
Because AIPAC tells us to?
Posted by gothamdawg
NYC
Member since Nov 2015
1395 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:17 am to
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Israel is the only western country in the entirety of the Middle East


Can't say the above and then say the land belongs to them. The only way for a "Western Country" to exist in the Middle East is that it was transplanted there.

Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
23743 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:17 am to
If the radical jihadis are focused on blowing up Israel, they will be too preoccupied to blow us up. Much better to kill them over there than to have them kill themselves here when they blow themselves up in a crowded mall, theater, or stadium.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23222 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:53 am to
The answer is really complicated because of how out of whack our budgeting has become.

From a personal standpoint, it’s hard for me to get behind a large sums of money being sent to any foreign government, regardless of use. Domestically, access to those funds are very restrictive and compliance is onerous. This is true even in disaster situations.

For example, Ida caused severe damage to our home and insurance wasn’t playing ball. We applied for help from FEMA, denied and referred to SBA. We are offered a loan from SBA, but the loan amount was a moving target. We are trying to determine if we are going to completely rebuild, which would require both insurance money and a loan, but SBA won’t release loan proceeds and will adjust as insurance proceeds come in. Detailed accounting records are required to be submitted (which are basically impossible to reconcile to insurance estimates), for a loan secured by the actual property that I will need to pay back, that I must agree to before I know how much I am actually going to receive.

The point is the bureaucracy makes it almost impossible to even access the funds, and this is an individual American citizen in a disaster situation, with the stakes being a fully secured loan.

Meanwhile we are sending billions of unbudgeted funds, which equates to several years worth of FEMA budgets, overseas with next to zero accountability.

My whole point is that the decision makers are clueless and do not even have to consider cost/benefits of their districts. We have to get away from picking who is right and who is wrong in foreign wars. We should either get involved, or we shouldn’t.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:54 am to
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What is your best argument to send U.S. tax payer money to Israel.

There is none and any argument in favor of continued Israel welfare payments can ultimately be traced back to the Bible. Which is INSANE.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
47248 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:55 am to
I’ve been dumbfounded at why they’ve not seen this before now.
Posted by D500MAG
Oklahoma
Member since Oct 2010
3990 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 11:59 am to
Send it.

Strapped to more Hamas rockets and missiles.


Never Forget

USS LIBERTY

Dancing Isrealis
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 12:03 pm
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