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What is this 4 year pullout for the Paris Climate Deal?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:30 pm
NY Times
Is this true that it takes 4 years to pullout of the Paris climate deal?
It does not make sense. I only need a second to pullout.
Is this true that it takes 4 years to pullout of the Paris climate deal?
It does not make sense. I only need a second to pullout.
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Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:30 pm to whatthe986
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Is this true that it takes 4 years to pullout of the Paris climate deal?
it's non-binding.
how could they make us stay in a non-binding agreement for 4 years?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:31 pm to whatthe986
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Is this true that it takes 4 years to pullout of the Paris climate deal?
i mean, per the agreement yes, but why would trumpc are about that?
I think it's a shell game and is playing on his supporters.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:32 pm to Hawkeye95
The Senate never ratified it, no matter what Barack did we can pull out any time we want
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:32 pm to Hawkeye95
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I think it's a shell game and is playing on his supporters.
so you think he's really going to send money to other countries under the auspices of the PA?
lol.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:32 pm to whatthe986
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I only need a second to pullout.
If only your father had been that quick.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:34 pm to CptBengal
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so you think he's really going to send money to other countries under the auspices of the PA?
Many of his supports want out of PA, and he is getting out. But not for four years, after the next election.
Thus the shell game, you are following his hand, not the pea.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:35 pm to Hawkeye95
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But not for four years, after the next election.
lol, no.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:47 pm to whatthe986
Big oil/energy companies and military are pissed about the US dropping out of the Paris agreement.
Oil and energy are going to try and take the U.S. governments spot with the Paris Agreement. Exxon and BP have been trying to express this will hurt jobs not help.
Military leaders are upset because it hurts our position as the main world power.
If it does take 4 years to pull out it is definenly a political move.
Oil and energy are going to try and take the U.S. governments spot with the Paris Agreement. Exxon and BP have been trying to express this will hurt jobs not help.
Military leaders are upset because it hurts our position as the main world power.
If it does take 4 years to pull out it is definenly a political move.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:48 pm to MizzouBS
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Military leaders are upset because it hurts our position as the main world power.
how?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:57 pm to whatthe986
The Paris Accord was signed by Barack Obama without consultation or approval by the Senate. Therefore, as President, Trump can withdraw from the accord at any time without Senate approval as the accord was never ratified by the Senate. However, due to the terms of the Accord as signed by Obama, the US cannot withdraw from the Accord until 2020, three years from now. Trump does have the power to withdraw immediately and presidents have done so before but it is rare. A bit of diplomatic courtesy is usually given.
The alternative is to withdraw from the underlying treaty of the Accord, the UN Climate Convention, which was ratified by the Senate. To do so would require a vote from the Senate repudiating the Convention, but I doubt that Senators would have the gravitas or will to stand up and repudiate the ratified Convention.
So the Accord will exist essentially in name only until 2020. The US will make no attempts to comply with it in the time remaining until withdrawal.
The alternative is to withdraw from the underlying treaty of the Accord, the UN Climate Convention, which was ratified by the Senate. To do so would require a vote from the Senate repudiating the Convention, but I doubt that Senators would have the gravitas or will to stand up and repudiate the ratified Convention.
So the Accord will exist essentially in name only until 2020. The US will make no attempts to comply with it in the time remaining until withdrawal.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:59 pm to whatthe986
Posted on 6/1/17 at 4:59 pm to whatthe986
It's the silly EU thinking they have power.
Pull out immediately, they can't do shite.
Pull out immediately, they can't do shite.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 5:00 pm to John Keating
thanks John
finally a response without the knee jerk
finally a response without the knee jerk
Posted on 6/1/17 at 5:01 pm to awestruck
Posted on 6/1/17 at 5:02 pm to John Keating
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bit of diplomatic courtesy is usually given.
Lol, do you know who my President is?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 5:02 pm to John Keating
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due to the terms of the Accord as signed by Obama, the US cannot withdraw from the Accord until 2020
Even then Obama knew TRUMP was going to win.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 5:06 pm to HailToTheChiz
200 counties have signed the Paris agreement. We are no longer the main country that they are following when it comes to a world agreement.
There are more reasons and I will let you look them up.
We are still the main world power, but it does hurt. To be the worlds leader we need to have good relations with our allies. Trump is hurting our relationships with our best allies and not just with the PA.
Let's let the Chinese or Russia take the lead while we stand on the sidelines.
There are more reasons and I will let you look them up.
We are still the main world power, but it does hurt. To be the worlds leader we need to have good relations with our allies. Trump is hurting our relationships with our best allies and not just with the PA.
Let's let the Chinese or Russia take the lead while we stand on the sidelines.
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/1/17 at 5:12 pm to MizzouBS
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We are still the main world power, but it does hurt. To be the worlds leader we need to have good relations with our allies. Trump is hurting our relationships with our best allies and not just with the PA.
Let's let the Chinese or Russia take the lead while we stand on the sidelines.
But we can continue assisting other countries and/or improving our own practices WITHOUT the need of this accord
from everything i've heard/read, the terms in this accord were terrible for the US
just because we are the main world power, does not mean we bend over and agree to everything
Posted on 6/1/17 at 5:15 pm to MizzouBS
Your concerns are something to consider, I will agree. However, being an independent leader means that sometimes your own path must be made. For example, the US never ratified or accepted the International Criminal Court, an accord adopted by over 125 countries, including all major Western European countries and almost all counties in the Western Hemisphere.
An argument can be made that the US was right in not adopting the ICC. This is just an example of how independence and the right to chart one's own course are necessary and pragmatic considerations to regard in terms of international agreements.
An argument can be made that the US was right in not adopting the ICC. This is just an example of how independence and the right to chart one's own course are necessary and pragmatic considerations to regard in terms of international agreements.
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