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re: What is the single defining characteristic of Fascism?

Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by Stingray
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:13 pm to
My answers to this simple question of the definition of a word ranges from

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There is no single defining characteristic attribute of fascism. 


To

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that's easy. blah, blah, blah, corporations.



It looks safe to say, there is no WORKABLE meaning to the term Fascism.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:13 pm to
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Dude, virtually all goods and services are subject to some level of government control. Healthcare is definitely on the higher end of the control spectrum. However, there is still a market for health insurance. There is competition. It isn't a government monopoly.
Theres a reason it’s so expensive. Hit:government regulation and control.
Posted by narddogg81
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:13 pm to
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austintigerdad
you need to change your name to autistictigerdad
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:16 pm to
Looks like the current iteration of trumpismu
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:16 pm to
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I pay taxes and have zero say in whether that money pays for a military or not. So yes we are all forced by the government to purchase military equipment.
The two aren’t even in the same ballpark. I have zero control over anything my tax dollars are spent on. Obamacare forced me to spend my untaxed monies on something I may not need or want under penalty of law.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31247 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:17 pm to
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Obamacare forced me to spend my untaxed monies on something I may not need or want under penalty of law.


So in other words, it’s a tax.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:19 pm to
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And once again, they are charts attempting to plot abstract ideas so they aren’t going to be 100% spot on.


Indeed, what is their purpose then?

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You sensing some sort of attack from the left out of a simple left/right political spectrum chart is odd though.


Not in the slightest. People don’t like ideas from the left. They suck. The only way they get power is lying about the other side.
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
17370 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:19 pm to
I think a defining moment in any totalitarian regime is when they go after laughter & jokes.
Posted by Speckhunter2012
Lake Charles
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:23 pm to
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Looks like the current iteration of trumpismu


LOL. Explain how lower taxes and slashing the power of the Federal Government by cutting Regulations put in place by unelected bureaucrats is Fascist?
Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:25 pm to
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Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31247 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:31 pm to
I’m not seeing the difference between the government taking my money and forcing me to buy bombs vs the government forcing me to spend my money on healthcare. In both cases the government is forcing me to give up my money on something I have no say in. You’re making it out like there’s a distinction between the two but I’m not seeing it.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20716 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:33 pm to
If some liberal whacko group like ANTIFA says you are fascist then according to their sycophantic allies in the media you are.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62493 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:35 pm to
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I’m not seeing the difference between the government taking my money and forcing me to buy bombs vs the government forcing me to spend my money on healthcare.
Holy isht. Private good vs public good. Good grief.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
78956 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:40 pm to
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I’m not sure that there actually is a defining characteristic other than a very powerful central government


I would say that, plus crony capitalism and the erosion of civil liberties, would be the essential characteristics of a fascist government.

Everything else is just ways of drumming up popular support. A "progressive" could be more than happy to get into bed with Wall Street and support expanding the Unpatriotic Act, while deploring nationalism in order to drum up SJW support.

An American fascist wouldn't want to appeal to religion because we're too religiously diverse.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31247 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:42 pm to
I’m not even sure I see the distinction there. When the government forces everyone to have it, that private good becomes pretty public (especially given the risk pooling nature of insurance). Even though the policy is to the individual the aggregate effect of everyone having insurance has a public good effect. I don’t think that even matters though really. The government takes your money without your permission for redistribution to various companies and you do t have a say so. They’re the same thing.
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:51 pm to
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All progressive socialistic, communist movements ultimately have to control the people so they can steal the money.


Refer to Tigerdoc's post. That is the only answer. Fascist ideologies are much closer to the modern-day right-winger even though you guys constantly try to throw it on socialists.
Posted by Kraut Dawg
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:52 pm to
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Posted by Ebbandflow
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:54 pm to
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1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. 

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. 

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. 

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.



It's absolutely ridiculous that you got so many downvotes considering that has the most correct answer. But of course the poliboard idiot, right-wing contingent wants to just say muh socialism and call it a day.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31247 posts
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:57 pm to
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No disrespect, but that's why you can't base your argument off of a chart



I don’t think I did..?
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:00 pm to
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12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 



They even called it the Patriot Act
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