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re: What is the best place to be during the collapse?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:56 pm to jimbeam
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:56 pm to jimbeam
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So a few people will make all th money and give it away?
No, I didn't say that. There will be ways to be compensated, but many current occupations will cease to exist. That's inevitable.
I think there will be more entrepreneurs (which is already happening), more creative based services, and much much less physical labor. Which should be praised IMO. What a waste of time and resources having people do menial jobs that can be accomplished through automation.
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This may indeed happen but will not without some collapse of the current system.
Call me an optimist, but I just don't believe change needs to be preceded by a collapse.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 5:00 pm to rintintin
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What a waste of time and resources having people do menial jobs that can be accomplished through automation.
Some physical work is both beneficial to the body and soul.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 5:02 pm to rintintin
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Call me an optimist, but I just don't believe change needs to be preceded by a collapse.
How do you make sure all those unemployed folks have a high quality of life?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 5:10 pm to Revelator
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Some physical work is both beneficial to the body and soul.
Of course, but the difference will be people will choose to do physical labor for those benefits. That's why people exercise.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 5:20 pm to LSUwag
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I would think that travel by boat would be the best way to go.
true but harder to fuel
Posted on 3/16/14 at 5:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How do you make sure all those unemployed folks have a high quality of life?
Good question, and I've been thinking about it and agree with you that there will be some societal drawbacks. But I don't see some tragic colllapse, and I think the drawbacks will only be short term. Like I said to SFP, the transition will be hardest on low-skilled and uneducated people.
But with the rate that we are currently advancing, a good quality of life is pretty easily attainable. I know this discussion comes up alot here, but just look at the people we consider poor in this country. Cable, internet, cell phones, cars, tons of cheap food. These are pretty much ordinary things now and obtainable by almost anyone. Quality of life in this country right now is leaps and bounds above anything ever seen in history for the rich and the poor.
And it's only going to get better IMO.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:24 am to real
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12 miles north of Clinton La, we already have compound with many weapons (including a couple of 50 cals and 30 cal machine guns) and many guns and ammunition .
We also have a buried bunker with camo vents. Night vision instruments and food and water that could last along time. This will be for bout 75 people. Two of my brothers live on the few hundred acres already.
Hope there is never a need ,but we are ready as best we can be. Were always adding things.
We have a shooting range and where you actually do the shooting is a c-can buried into hill . It had to be certified for the 50&30. You should see those 50 Calibers scream down range a couple miles. We might last,but if that ever happen it will be truly the strong(and prepared) that will survive.
Can you find the square root of a number without a calculator? If not your fricked....and forget about a fricking cube root....
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:26 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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What is the best place to be during the collapse?
Big Bend National Park. Its about as far away from other people (on either side of the border) as you can possibly get.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:26 am to olemc999
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Appalachian mountians would be an ideal spot.
There is almost no game in the appalachians. Without management the deer population is almost nil and there is almost no natural reproduction of fish. There are lots of fur bearing critters though so if you want to dine on ground hogs and skunks there you go....
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:29 am to germandawg
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There is almost no game in the appalachians. Without management the deer population is almost nil and there is almost no natural reproduction of fish. There are lots of fur bearing critters though so if you want to dine on ground hogs and skunks there you go....
plenty of grubs
"almost no natural reproduction of fish"
I don't believe you.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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$17T and counting. our government, regardless of party affiliation (as it really ramped up 2000-2008), is off the rails
this has everything to do with legit fears over dollars and cents and nothing to do with race, sex, religion, or political ideology
my life is going to almost assuredly take a step back regardless. the worst case scenario is government collapse, which could lead to societal collapse. what is wrong with having a plan?
There is nothing wrong with doing anything you want, my friend. If you want to plan for the end of time or for your winning the lottery it is entirely up to you. Hopefully it will make you happy.
I have a good friend who inherited a a decent amount of money and receives a pretty good salary from it each year. This guy is as good as gold, ggod father, good friend, just all around good person...until it comes to this subject...and then he is, by his own admission, obssessed with surviving any and all secenarios. This guy has a small arsenal stored in his home and, more to the point, he has (I have seen it) about $120K worth (face value) of gold and silver coins, stored about his property (5 acres in an upscale subdivision for fricks sake!!!). This guy is so obssessed with this shite that he is afraid to leave his house for more than a hour or so at a time. The "zombies" have already won in his and many other cases because he is too busy planning to survive to live.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 6:57 am to germandawg
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about $120K worth (face value) of gold and silver coins, stored about his property
If gold and silver are worth anything as money that means there hasn't been a total collapse. No one is going to want gold or silver in a total collapse. You can't eat it, sleep under it, or wear it, but you have to carry it, store it, and guard it with your life nonetheless.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 6:58 am
Posted on 3/17/14 at 7:23 am to germandawg
tell him to get some BTC while he's at it, if he can maintain connection to the network then gold and silver can go to shite and he'll be ok
Posted on 3/17/14 at 7:49 am to SpidermanTUba
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No one is going to want gold or silver in a total collapse.
well barter will emerge, and historically gold/silver have acted as tools for trade. that's the theory
note: i own no gold or silver
Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:07 am to rintintin
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Are necessities easier to come by and obtain than before? Is technology prospering and improving our way of life? Do we work less, but achieve more than before? Are former luxuries becoming everyday things? Are we able to enjoy more leisure time than before? Do you see these trends increasing over the next 100 years? I think all of these questions are a resounding yes, and will continue to be as we go forward.
The majority of Americans don't produce anything anymore and don't know how. Our food is dropped off in stores and we go pick it up once a week and store it in closets and refrigerators. We don't produce food or fire or any of the things it takes to sustain life. We live in a house of cards that is held up by electrical grids and supply lines.
That's all fine as long as everything works as planned. But if one of the multitudinous, complex components fails, even if only for a few weeks, the whole thing falls apart.
The farther into your technological eutopia we go, the less self reliant and the more vulnerable we become, as a society. Do you think the Amish will know or care if the grid goes down or the wheat supply dwindles because of drought or disease or the dollar collapses?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:04 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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What is the best place to be during the collapse?
Right here on the bayous of south LA. Get me a little houseboat and tuck it way deep in the swamp. Always something to eat just a few more mosquitoes in the summer. Couple pirogues, a hoop net, trot lines, guns and ammo and you can live pretty much indefinitely.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:15 am to olgoi khorkhoi
The people on here who CHOOSE to believe that all will be fine...are wrapped up in optimist tunnel vision every bit as much as the pessimist survivalists.
Yet the extreme complexity of the system that is the basis of our societal survival and prosperity is vulnerable by degree, to that complexity. When all is working well...great power; when the least little kink hits...it all can come tumbling down.
There are grand ideas that create disunity and antipathy between humans; a cursory glance at how unity breaks down along political/ideological, religious, class, racial, ethnic and nationalistic sympathies...and the extremists in those sub-classes who would love - for whatever reason - to throw that kink in and spoil or crash the system in order to force restructure grows by the day. As does the technological ability for a small group to cause big problems.
If you asked any poster in this thread what are the odds that they they would get in a car wreck today and need catastrophic health coverage...they'll say nigh impossible. But ask em' if they have insurance (if they can afford it)...and they'll say yes.
"the collapse"?
Anybody that lived on the outskirts of Katrina knows the score re reliance on basic and essential services. The rest of the (uneducated) opinions...are just that. Uneducated opinions.
The Board knows I'm a 'Thumper'; biased as it were. My suspicion/gut/Biblically prophetic bias and my common-sense assessment tells me that humanity will indeed make the leap into a whole new paradigm...but the people who are psychologically entrenched in the old one...will have little or no control of the calamitous (short-sighted) 'transition'.
Infinity rules...regardless.
Yet the extreme complexity of the system that is the basis of our societal survival and prosperity is vulnerable by degree, to that complexity. When all is working well...great power; when the least little kink hits...it all can come tumbling down.
There are grand ideas that create disunity and antipathy between humans; a cursory glance at how unity breaks down along political/ideological, religious, class, racial, ethnic and nationalistic sympathies...and the extremists in those sub-classes who would love - for whatever reason - to throw that kink in and spoil or crash the system in order to force restructure grows by the day. As does the technological ability for a small group to cause big problems.
If you asked any poster in this thread what are the odds that they they would get in a car wreck today and need catastrophic health coverage...they'll say nigh impossible. But ask em' if they have insurance (if they can afford it)...and they'll say yes.
"the collapse"?
Anybody that lived on the outskirts of Katrina knows the score re reliance on basic and essential services. The rest of the (uneducated) opinions...are just that. Uneducated opinions. The Board knows I'm a 'Thumper'; biased as it were. My suspicion/gut/Biblically prophetic bias and my common-sense assessment tells me that humanity will indeed make the leap into a whole new paradigm...but the people who are psychologically entrenched in the old one...will have little or no control of the calamitous (short-sighted) 'transition'.
Infinity rules...regardless.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:16 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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The farther into your technological eutopia we go, the less self reliant and the more vulnerable we become, as a society. Do you think the Amish will know or care if the grid goes down or the wheat supply dwindles because of drought or disease or the dollar collapses?
Yep. The assumption by those who lean strongly on technology to sustain us is that this technology will be around and functional during an event,
which is a huge assumption.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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well barter will emerge, and historically gold/silver have acted as tools for trade. that's the theory
itll take quite some time before vanity items like gold and silver would be desirable in trade though. generations probably.
the most important asset to have in a total collapse would be knowledge and skill.
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