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re: What is the best place to be during the collapse?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't see things getting better.
So you foresee your life being harder.....say 30 years from now?
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:19 pm to rintintin
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So you foresee your life being harder.....say 30 years from now?
Probably not since I doubt L'll be around that long. I see my kids struggling. Their quality of life is more of a struggle than it was for me 20 years ago.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:21 pm to rintintin
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What I think is more important to focus on when looking to the future, and assessing how we are prospering and whether a great collapse is imminent, is our ease of life. How "easy" or comfortable is your life compared to prior time frames?
nobody is doubting this. that's why it's being spoken of as a "collapse" and not a "decline"
a decline is certainly possible, as i posted specifically, but a collapse is also very possible
and a collapse doesn't automatically mean society/technology stops. but it could be pretty hairy in certain parts. for example, would you want to be living in new orleans during an interruption in goverment services (both monetary and things like electricity, police, etc)? did you see the events that occurred after katrina?
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Are necessities easier to come by and obtain than before?
Is technology prospering and improving our way of life?
Do we work less, but achieve more than before?
Are former luxuries becoming everyday things?
Are we able to enjoy more leisure time than before?
yes
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Do you see these trends increasing over the next 100 years?
not without a severe shift in developed societies
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Compare this past recession with the Great Depression
they're not comparable, mainly b/c we just kicked the can down the road with massive public spending
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I see no end to such prosperity as we go forward
i posted this after the 2008 collapse
how are we going to continue on this path with our massive public and private debtload? at some point we will have to pay it back or the financial system will collapse (like in 2008)
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I wouldn't count some kind of financial collapse out
Like we saw in 2008?
or do you think more severe? Like the collapse of the US dollar?
If so, what type of events do you foresee causing such a cataclysmic collapse?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:23 pm to weedGOKU666
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Seems like a lot of people on here fetishize the "oncoming societal collapse"
fetishize is a bit extreme
this topic involves a strong undercurrent of the major political differences in politics: dependance v. individualism
people who believe in self-reliance and individualism see this very possible future path as a point proving their philosophy. it's not about fetishes, but if they are correct, they will be proven so. why would you expect them to see the path we're on not leading to collapse?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:24 pm to rintintin
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So you foresee your life being harder.....say 30 years from now?
absolutely
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:25 pm to rintintin
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Like we saw in 2008?
kicked the can down the road
2008 was from kicking the can down the road. every time we do it, the shock-effect is worse. 2008 was a warning sign
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If so, what type of events do you foresee causing such a cataclysmic collapse?
how are we going to pay for our debt + future spending?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I see my kids struggling. Their quality of life is more of a struggle than it was for me 20 years ago.
Wow, that's surprising.
I'm not discrediting your circumstances at all, but I foresee people 30 years from now with a much greater ease of life.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:29 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
i'm heading up to utah.
emergency preparedness is a part of the LDS faith. i'm sure they won't mind taking me in :)
emergency preparedness is a part of the LDS faith. i'm sure they won't mind taking me in :)
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:29 pm to rintintin
my generation, and probably teh one following me, is fricked if we don't have major systematic changes
we cannot afford our current debtload, let alone the unfunded obligations of medicare, medicaid, social security, etc
we cannot afford our current debtload, let alone the unfunded obligations of medicare, medicaid, social security, etc
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:30 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:40 pm to rintintin
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I'm not discrediting your circumstances at all, but I foresee people 30 years from now with a much greater ease of life.
If you're assuming the state can better take care of people. The jobs will not be there. I think it will create more strain on our economic system
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and a collapse doesn't automatically mean society/technology stops. but it could be pretty hairy in certain parts. for example, would you want to be living in new orleans during an interruption in goverment services (both monetary and things like electricity, police, etc)? did you see the events that occurred after katrina?
If technology/society doesn't stop, I don't see a collapse. Hearing the term "collapse" I envision a Mad Max type of world. That is the type of collapse doomsday stockpiles would be useful and needed.
Nola after Katrina is a good example of what a collapsed society could look like, but that was caused by a rare and severe natural disaster,. That's why I said barring any cataclysmic natural disasters or wars. I don't foresee that type of environment widespread throughout the country.
Perhaps in isolated areas like you said, but well to do people will simply pack up and move, pretty much like they did in Nola. Miscreants would probably embrace such squalor, as they would see it as an opportunity to take advantage of others. Civilized people will seek out civilized communities.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If you're assuming the state can better take care of people.
I don't assume that at all. Not sure why you would assume I did.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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how are we going to continue on this path with our massive public and private debtload? at some point we will have to pay it back or the financial system will collapse (like in 2008)
I don't promote extreme debt, and I agree some changes need to be made with government spending. I guess I just have faith that those changes will be made before any tragic collapse of society.
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at some point we will have to pay it back
And really we don't. It will never be fully repaid, as our whole financial system is based on debt. There must be debt, and there will always be debt.
Now I agree that we are getting much too extreme with said debt, but again I have faith changes will be made before Mad Max is upon us.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:51 pm to rintintin
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I don't assume that at all. Not sure why you would assume I did.
You're as in the general population. Govt is growing, not shrinking and I don't see that changing bar a collapse. If someone believes the growth of govt is sustainable, and it's going to care for the welfare of most citizens, I'd say the future will be better for people.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
If any of you frequent Money Talk, a very intelligent poster by the name of BennyAndTheInkJets has a very strong opinion about the health of the US dollar and our economy. His posts are very enlightening for those that think we are on the brink of financial collapse.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:57 pm to rintintin
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If any of you frequent Money Talk, a very intelligent poster by the name of BennyAndTheInkJets has a very strong opinion about the health of the US dollar and our economy. His posts are very enlightening for those that think we are on the brink of financial collapse.
I don't think we're on the brink of collapse. Probably will not happen in my lifetime. I think it will happen while my kids are alive.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:58 pm to rintintin
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Inevitable? Sure, everything is inevitable given an infinite amount of time. Yes the U.S. with fall one day, just as all of the great civilizations have in the past, but not anytime soon IMO. The economy will only crash when business and technology cease to advance, and that will not be the case anytime soon. The U.S. is very very young still, and is head and shoulders the most prosperous and dominant country in the world, economically, technologically, militarily, and basically any other way you can think of. And things are only going to get better before they get worse. I don't know about ya'll, but I have much more faith in humanity to constantly make the world a better place as we move forward. We have a better living standard than ever dreamed of currently, and it's improving rapidly. Over the last 50 years only, we have advanced like never before, and it's only going to continue. In the grand scheme of things, this current time period of advancement is only a spec in history, and to think it will abruptly come to an end is paranoia IMO.
Wow, so record debts, devaluing dollar, half the country on gov. assistance, record unemployment, etc. and to you think this paints a rosy picture for America and it's future? You are some opptomist.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:59 pm to rintintin
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If technology/society doesn't stop, I don't see a collapse.
the 2 are not necessarily related. technology and other idea-based industries are infinitely mobile
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Hearing the term "collapse" I envision a Mad Max type of world. That is the type of collapse doomsday stockpiles would be useful and needed.
imagine new orleans with 2 months of no federal payments and spotty electricity
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Perhaps in isolated areas like you said
you mean major cities?
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but well to do people will simply pack up and move
leaving "mad max" in the cities
and hell our cities aren't exactly full of people who even drive anymore. it wouldn't be that easy
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