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re: What is the best place to be during the collapse?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:10 pm to Revelator
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:10 pm to Revelator
we have 2 choices
1. keep up the printprintprint stuff which will lead to hyperinflation and all but destroy the $US
2. stop printing and eat shite economically for 5-10 years. unemployment will soar, deflation will occur, and things will be generally shitty. but we may come out of it without utter collapse.
i mean my generation is either going to be economically stagnant (and will have to fund programs we never enacted and will never see, like medicare/SS, and then retire without them) or will watch the $US collapse
if somebody has a viable 3rd option, i'd love to hear it
1. keep up the printprintprint stuff which will lead to hyperinflation and all but destroy the $US
2. stop printing and eat shite economically for 5-10 years. unemployment will soar, deflation will occur, and things will be generally shitty. but we may come out of it without utter collapse.
i mean my generation is either going to be economically stagnant (and will have to fund programs we never enacted and will never see, like medicare/SS, and then retire without them) or will watch the $US collapse
if somebody has a viable 3rd option, i'd love to hear it
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:13 pm
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i mean my generation is either going to be economically stagnant (and will have to fund programs we never enacted and will never see, like medicare/SS, and then retire without them) or will watch the $US
collapse
The game is too rigged by the players with the big banks for there not to be a collapse. Whether one believes these events are planned or not is up for debate.
If anyone was listening to coast to coast am this morning, there was a killer show on the recent deaths of global bankers and the shenanigans of big banks.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:17 pm to Revelator
meh
i don't think the "big bankers" want a collapse. they'd be fricked if this happened, too
i don't think the "big bankers" want a collapse. they'd be fricked if this happened, too
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:18 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
My property.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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meh i don't think the "big bankers" want a collapse. they'd be fricked if this happened, too
No because they play every side of the equation and if they are causing the collapses, they know when to invest, when to pull out, what the new currency is going to be, etc.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:40 pm to Revelator
Key West. If ish hits the fan I'm going out having a blast. Who knows, maybe the Conch Republic fares better than the USA. 
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:13 pm to Revelator
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I believe it is inevitable that the U.S. Dollar will crash.
Inevitable? Sure, everything is inevitable given an infinite amount of time. Yes the U.S. with fall one day, just as all of the great civilizations have in the past, but not anytime soon IMO.
The economy will only crash when business and technology cease to advance, and that will not be the case anytime soon.
The U.S. is very very young still, and is head and shoulders the most prosperous and dominant country in the world, economically, technologically, militarily, and basically any other way you can think of. And things are only going to get better before they get worse.
I don't know about ya'll, but I have much more faith in humanity to constantly make the world a better place as we move forward. We have a better living standard than ever dreamed of currently, and it's improving rapidly. Over the last 50 years only, we have advanced like never before, and it's only going to continue. In the grand scheme of things, this current time period of advancement is only a spec in history, and to think it will abruptly come to an end is paranoia IMO.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:15 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
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I do believe the fish will already be filled with radiation spilling from Fukishima (sp?). Its supposed to arrive on the west coast next year...
nah.
LINK
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I abandoned my studied indifference when the CBC came out with an alarmingly-titled article in November: "Radiation from Japan nuclear plant arrives on Alaska coast." I hold plenty of things against Canada, namely their 2010 Olympic men's and women's hockey teams, but the CBC, that venerable and trustworthy news institution, is not one of them.
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The crib notes: There's no reason to move to Nebraska! We're not all gonna die -- or get cancer or become mutants. The water in Japan is iffy but still safe, and the water 5,000 miles away here in Alaska is as pure, pristine, and uncarcinogenic as the mountain streams of Southeast Alaska.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:22 pm to rintintin
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And things are only going to get better before they get worse.
Uh, no. 50,000,000 people of working age who are not working.
We've had over 5 years for this Administration to make things better, and not only have they not, things are going in the opposite direction.
Spending trillions of dollars that we don't have is not the answer.
LC
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:32 pm to LongueCarabine
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We've had over 5 years for this Administration to make things better, and not only have they not, things are going in the opposite direction.
Ah, I see. Your narrative is now revealed.
Tell me, how has your livelihood devolved over the last 5 years?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:51 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
I like NE AZ/Colorado area. Wouldn't be too crowded since people think AZ=desert. 
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:09 pm to rintintin
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Tell me, how has your livelihood devolved over the last 5 years?
It's down a bit for many Americans.
Household income down 8.2% since Obama took office.
Or, if you prefer a liberal source
HuffPo
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No wonder so few Americans seem to think their economy is in recovery: They keep getting poorer. Unless they are rich, in which case they keep getting richer.
Median household income fell for the fifth straight year in 2012, the Census Bureau reported on Tuesday, to $51,017. That was the lowest annual income, adjusted for inflation, since 1995.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:23 pm to rintintin
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Your narrative is now revealed.
Just calling it like it is.
Obama ran on improving the economy, it was one of his major topics while trying to get elected.
But once he got in office, he pretty much forgot all about that one, preferring instead to spend taxpayer money on things like bailing out businesses that rightly should have been allowed to fail, screwing up 1/6 of the American economy, grossly enlarging welfare programs, and generally just failing to do anything that would have put people back to work.
To put it in context, politicians of all stripes have been doing this for the last quarter century at least, but this guy truly is special.
Everything that he has done has exacerbated the problem. It's an open question as to whether it is purposeful.
LC
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:46 pm to LongueCarabine
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Obama ran on improving the economy, it was one of his major topics while trying to get elected.
Totally wrong. He ran on Transforming America. Turning us into a socialist country. Egalitarianism. Redistribution of wealth. He was totally truthful. It had nothing to do with economic growth. Just the opposite. And I posted it on this board when he first ran. I was right.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I won't argue that some people's income has decreased over the last 5 years. Whether it's the current administrations fault or not can be debated till the end of time. I won't argue that either, although it's hard to ignore that that time frame also includes the greatest recession our country has seen since the great depression. It's such a short time frame I don't think any great conclusions can be had.
I'll pre-phrase this by saying I'm not an Obama fan, or a democrat, and I hope to keep those labels out of this discussion so as to keep it civil and avoid this becoming a party bashing thread. I think this thread has a broader outlook than simply a political landscape. Although politics play a great deal towards how we evolve as a society, it should not be the only focus.
What I think is more important to focus on when looking to the future, and assessing how we are prospering and whether a great collapse is imminent, is our ease of life. How "easy" or comfortable is your life compared to prior time frames?
Are necessities easier to come by and obtain than before?
Is technology prospering and improving our way of life?
Do we work less, but achieve more than before?
Are former luxuries becoming everyday things?
Are we able to enjoy more leisure time than before?
Do you see these trends increasing over the next 100 years?
I think all of these questions are a resounding yes, and will continue to be as we go forward.
Compare this past recession with the Great Depression. Sure many people were hit hard, but the livelihood we enjoyed compared to then isn't even debatable. People didn't starve or freeze out in the street, and that is a direct correlation to how we've prospered. Barring any catastrophic wars, natural disasters, or the like, I see no end to such prosperity as we go forward, whether there is a democrat or republican in the White House. It's almost impossible to constrain human ingenuity.
I'll pre-phrase this by saying I'm not an Obama fan, or a democrat, and I hope to keep those labels out of this discussion so as to keep it civil and avoid this becoming a party bashing thread. I think this thread has a broader outlook than simply a political landscape. Although politics play a great deal towards how we evolve as a society, it should not be the only focus.
What I think is more important to focus on when looking to the future, and assessing how we are prospering and whether a great collapse is imminent, is our ease of life. How "easy" or comfortable is your life compared to prior time frames?
Are necessities easier to come by and obtain than before?
Is technology prospering and improving our way of life?
Do we work less, but achieve more than before?
Are former luxuries becoming everyday things?
Are we able to enjoy more leisure time than before?
Do you see these trends increasing over the next 100 years?
I think all of these questions are a resounding yes, and will continue to be as we go forward.
Compare this past recession with the Great Depression. Sure many people were hit hard, but the livelihood we enjoyed compared to then isn't even debatable. People didn't starve or freeze out in the street, and that is a direct correlation to how we've prospered. Barring any catastrophic wars, natural disasters, or the like, I see no end to such prosperity as we go forward, whether there is a democrat or republican in the White House. It's almost impossible to constrain human ingenuity.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:59 pm to rintintin
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What I think is more important to focus on when looking to the future, and assessing how we are prospering and whether a great collapse is imminent, is our ease of life. How "easy" or comfortable is your life compared to prior time frames?
Considering most moves the government makes are for political rather than other reasons that more financial sense, I wouldn't count some kind of financial collapse out. The population is aging, we are increasing government at all levels. I don't see things getting better.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:00 pm to rintintin
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to think it will abruptly come to an end is paranoia IMO.
Keep in mind which forum you're posting in
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:04 pm to weedGOKU666
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Keep in mind which forum you're posting in
Have you read DU?
All political forums are bat shite insane to someone.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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All political forums are bat shite insane to someone.
No doubt, and the TDs poli board is no different. Seems like a lot of people on here fetishize the "oncoming societal collapse"
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:15 pm to weedGOKU666
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Seems like a lot of people on here fetishize the "oncoming societal collapse"
Out of any group of thousands of people, you'll have a few that possess those tendencies.
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