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re: What does a society do when no longer can any media sources be trusted?

Posted on 8/14/22 at 7:45 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 7:45 am to
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You mean every news source


Just accept it's corrupt and it cannot be fixed. We have no access to truth in this world.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 7:47 am to
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You’re looking for truth in a place it does not exist imo.



And where does it exist
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:11 am to
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I’m wondering about the facts concerning issues like attorney/ client privilege or nuclear sources.
So Rev, you have an telling combination of facts:

(1) It would be incredibly stupid for Trump to bring Nuclear Weapons to MAL. But he's not a stupid guy.
(2) Trump says such accusations are garbage. There is a track record. When he's made similar claims in the past, he's been correct virtually every time.
(3) I haven't seen a claim of attorney client privilege, but outsiders accessing materials such as Obama's letter to Trump are absolute and obvious breeches of Executive Privilege.
(4) Regarding MSM and Dem accusations or counterpoints. There is a track record on that accord as well. When there were similar claims in the past, they turned out to be false virtually every time.

So what to believe? Well as the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:13 am to
Divorce.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:14 am to
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Open your Bible


Even on the Bible, there is no consensus on almost any topic raised.
Let’s say we are talking about the rapture and when it will take place, or if it will take place at all? Do you know there are many many views on this issue alone?
Some think the church is raptured before the tribulation. Some think the church is raptured mid tribulation. Some think it’s post tribulation. Others, right before the bowl judgments. There is a camp that doesn’t believe in the rapture at all.
See what I mean?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:16 am to
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And where does it exist
In the actual source material.

The CTH or CNN make a claim about a bill or law, go to the bill or law and see for yourself.

If you can't see/access the unedited source material yourself, be EXTREMELY suspicious.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:16 am to
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So what to believe? Well as the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.



This tells me where to lean of course, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut some time. Once in a while, the other side can be right too.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:19 am to
A little off topic but I read through the Bible one time and came away convinced it was mid-Trib. And that seems to be the least accepted of the three.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:22 am to
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This tells me where to lean of course, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut some time. Once in a while, the other side can be right too.

Go to the root source.

Great example is the TX abortion law. When hospitals supposedly claimed they were prohibited by the law from taking care of ectopics, every fiber of my being screamed bullshite. But when I looked at the actual law, it unfortunately was horribly written, and it said exactly what opponents claimed.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:22 am to
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A little off topic but I read through the Bible one time and came away convinced it was mid-Trib. And that seems to be the least accepted of the three.


One could spend lots of time simply researching the different positions on this topic alone.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 8:25 am to
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Go to the root source.


This is good advice, when available. But at times, like on the subject of can a person be disqualified from running for president if he’s convicted of a crime, there seems to be conflicting views.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15667 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:38 am to
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What does a society do when no longer can any media sources be trusted? by Revelator

Perhaps what we should realize is there was never a time when we should trust the media. We should even take a look at some of the crap we were taught in schools by historians/journalists. For example, were historians correct that FDR got us out of the Great Depression? Or have we finally accepted historians had political sources they relied on and the truth is FDR got us into it by advancing economically counterintuitive policies?

Did Lincoln get us out of the Civil War? Or did he get us into it to consolidate power?

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Who do we trust? What are the facts? What is the law?

These are the questions journalists were previously asking themselves before writing articles. They didn’t really know the truth - but they were on publishing deadlines and had to get a story out. Whether they had the truth or not, they worded their stories with sufficient certainty that contributed to people trusting them. With so few content providers, they COULD control a narrative that the population has little reason to doubt. It was an era of blind, ignorant trust.

We are now in an era when potential sources are delivered to us almost as a setting - we passively receive news from different sources.

If we care about the truth, we need to accept that even our favorite team lies so that we will get worked up, send them money, and vote for them. We simply have to be capable of sorting through conflicting stories, and put the pieces together ourselves by identifying what makes the most sense.

In our heads, we have different mental filters. For most people, that filter is set to “my favorite team” which can be a singular news source or their favorite politician(s). But the mental default setting we should try to lock in is Occam’s razor.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62002 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:41 am to
Thanks for that exhaustive response Willie. It was well written, thoughtful and helpful.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116730 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:50 am to
I learn lots of things just by reading a variety of authors and applying some logic to determine how to assess it's truth.
Just yesterday I read a chapter by O'Keefe that dealt with my assumption that all MSM journalists are leftist.
He says about 20% are objective reporters looking for a scoop (like you're supposed to).
BUT....they know they are the minority and have to watch what they say in the office. They come out of the closet when they get totally pissed off with the bosses who spike their story because it doesn't help Democrats.
All of the bosses are left wing hacks.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15667 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:51 am to
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This is good advice, when available. But at times, like on the subject of can a person be disqualified from running for president if he’s convicted of a crime, there seems to be conflicting views.

When it comes to qualification to be President , there is only one authoritative source - the Constitution.

Other sources may claim authority but to be authoritative, they have to be linked to the Constitution. This typically happens with court challenges when a group half-connected to the Constitution (USSC) determines whether or not it actually is. But as we see with Roe v Wade, that doesn’t make it true.

On certain topics, there are no facts. When that happens, we just have to turn to the wisdom of Lebowski:
Posted by Shoalwater Cat
Pville
Member since Dec 2017
790 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:55 am to
Use your xx number of years of real life experience of gut feelings to determine right from wrong news. Mine is 62.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66676 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 9:57 am to
The problem is the intel agencies totally dominate corporate media. Aaron Mate was on Jimmy Dore a few months back and he just said there is no one who will take on the CIA and FBI like the old days.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27525 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 10:00 am to
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Dan Bongino


I like the guy, but you don't think he's completely unbiased when presenting the news?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53761 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 10:01 am to
It's so much worse than not trusting the media....there's little reason to trust the federal government and the bureaucracies within the government. How about the judicial system? Depending on where you live and the nature of your legal challenges....are you confident in equitable treatment under the law? Yes, it's so much worse than not trusting the Gaslight Media.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77147 posts
Posted on 8/14/22 at 10:05 am to
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And where does it exist


All that you need is in your soul. You have to go within to find truth. The Holy Spirit will guide you.
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