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re: What Did Men Do to Deserve This? (Another take on the so-called man/boy crisis)
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:53 pm to RollTide4547
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:53 pm to RollTide4547
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Did the drugging start before or after discipline was removed from the classroom? My guess would be after
I think drugging replaced discipline.
Public schools are a threat to children. So many rapists and drug dealing administrators
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:55 pm to 4cubbies
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Consider reading the OP.
Did you read the study the article in the OP cited for this stat of women requiring more education than men? It's a study done by Georgetown on the labor landscape of rural America.
Here is where the Ney Yorker article you posted gets that talking point:
The rural good-jobs advantage for men is seen at every level of educational attainment. More
than half of men in rural areas with no more than a high school diploma have a good job, but
the same is true for only 21 percent of women with a high school diploma (Figure 6). The men’s
advantage extends to higher levels of educational attainment as well. Among rural workers with
a bachelor’s degree, 76 percent of men have good jobs, but only 58 percent of women do.
Can you think of any reason why in rural America that a lower percentage of women work than men that has nothing to do with inequality?
Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:So after discipline was removed.
I think drugging replaced discipline.
quote:My wife is a teacher. The dept of education is the threat to children. There are many good and great teachers, but sadly liberal pedos have been allowed in.
Public schools are a threat to children. So many rapists and drug dealing administrators
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:00 pm to 4cubbies
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Women require more education than men do to earn the same wages. That can help explain why more women seek higher education than men.
How does it explain so many fewer men in college degree programs?
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I responded to your very first post to me on this topic with the same information.
You copied the author of the article reaching a conclusion with flimsy evidence and even less relevance.
I just disproved that idiotic "reasoning" with one question above.
And before you pivot to % instead of totals (so you could keep repeating the foolishness and pretend that women just magically woke up one day and said they need to be going to college at insane rates compared to men), let's look at the data from Pew
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College enrollment among young Americans has been declining gradually over the past decade. In 2022, the total number of 18- to 24-year-olds enrolled in college was down by approximately 1.2 million from its peak in 2011.
Also, please note the difference in 2-year and 4-year enrollment gaps.
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At two-year colleges, which are largely community colleges, the drop in enrollment has been similar for men and women, so the gender balance has not changed much. Men represent 49% of students ages 18 to 24, up slightly from 48% in 2011.
And before the argument targets high school issues:
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The decline in young college enrollment since 2011 is not driven by a drop in the overall number of 18- to 24-year-old high school graduates. That number has modestly increased since 2011.
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Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).
That should kill dead any of this drivel about women needing more education to live from the article.
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What specific institutional barrier negatively impacting men are you clamoring to dissect here?
We aren't there yet.
We're still building the base of the pyramid of facts. Hopefully we look there instead of utter nonsense from a dishonest writer in OP.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How does it explain so many fewer men in college degree programs?
How many men are seeking out higher education and discovering they are unable to access it?
The rising costs of college attendance are likely a significant factor deterring boys from college.
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I just disproved that idiotic "reasoning" with one question above.
What question disproved that women need more education to earn the same wages as men in rural America?
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so you could keep repeating the foolishness and pretend that women just magically woke up one day and said they need to be going to college at insane rates compared to men
I am not claiming this. I am showing that women need more education to earn earn what less-educated men earn. That entices women to attend college. Money.
I never claimed that no one knows why women pursue higher education, so I'm not sure what foolishness you're accusing me of repeating.
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Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).
That should kill dead any of this drivel about women needing more education to live from the article.
The claim in is that women need more education than men to earn the same wages as men. Your stats have nothing to do with earning power or wages.
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We're still building the base of the pyramid of facts. Hopefully we look there instead of utter nonsense from a dishonest writer in OP.
We are most certainly having two entirely different discussions here.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Its simple women think success is getting a college degree and statistics show what majors most of these women go into psychology, social sciences, education, communications, etc. If you attended college like I did most social science classes were made up of about 85 % women. These classes were basically memorize shite then take a test and move on to the next bs these classes thought. Colleges print these degrees and most liberal women like cubbies think they are smarter than anyone and everyone but jokes on her they aren't. You see how she posts everything is based on studies on systematic racism, critical race, etc. Men go into fields where supply and demand play pivotal roles on why they are paid more and it doesn't include Whitey bad and systematic racism lol. Plumbing, AC repair, electrical work and then for college degrees its STEM careers. 4cubbies is full of shite and always is so its not worth the time. Let her ramble and get her attention because her logic is utter worthlessness.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:23 pm to RollTide4547
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There are many good and great teachers
I taught, got my degree in Secondary Ed.
Most teachers are victims of the institution too.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:24 pm to 4cubbies
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What question disproved that women need more education to earn the same wages as men in rural America?
I have a few:
1) What career field are women trying to get into?
You say something like this and it's been so easily defeated. You can't demand a woman who is an entry level social worker with a degree should get paid more than a male welder. You aren't comparing apples to apples. You are just bitching because of a poor career choice.
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I am showing that women need more education to earn earn what less-educated men earn
In what field are you referring to in particular? It's asinine to ignore job types and career fields and blanketly say "women make less than men". Overall, maybe. But it has a lot to do with what job you choose to pursue, not demanding to get paid more money to be a social worker than a man who works in a riskier field. You too, can be a welder, why aren't you? You too can be a crane operator, why arne't you? You too can be a diver, why aren't you?
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:24 pm to 4cubbies
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How many men are seeking out higher education and discovering they are unable to access it?
The rising costs of college attendance are likely a significant factor deterring boys from college.
Yeah we can't access it? Lol. It's called we don't want a degree that pays 38,000 dollars a years and has 300 women like yourself applying. You really do think you have this figured out don't you. You just look like an idiot every time. Women are leaving jobs like teaching and losing jobs that are based on DEI bs for a reason. Money is not there for teachers and DEI is just a Democrat/liberal narrative that has been exposed. Merit not skin color or gender is what makes people good at their jobs but you will reference studies and whatever to validate yourself. You are exhausting.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:26 pm to BugAC
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:26 pm to 4cubbies
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The rising costs of college attendance are likely a significant factor deterring boys from college.
Why would this not affect women?
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What question disproved that women need more education to earn the same wages as men in rural America?
That spin to explain the gap was disproven, as the issue isn't excess women (as the spin tries to argue) as much as fewer men going to college.
Fewer men, in raw numbers (not %) are going to college. It's fallen dramatically. How would more women going to college more create the decline in participation by men?
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I am not claiming this. I am showing that women need more education to earn earn what less-educated men earn. That entices women to attend college. Money.
How would more women going to college more create the decline in participation by men?
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The claim in is that women need more education than men to earn the same wages as men. Your stats have nothing to do with earning power or wages.
Did those with college degrees stop earning as much as people with high school diplomas in 2011?
Why would men not want to earn more as a sex? Did Jesus come back and tell everyone to be poor in 2011 and only men listened?
Why are there more men in 2-year degrees? If this spin that women must go to college to survive is true, then you'd see the same gap in 2-year degrees, as those increase salary, too.
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We are most certainly having two entirely different discussions here.
Because you're avoiding substantive response.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:27 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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Yeah we can't access it? Lol. It's called we don't want a degree that pays 38,000 dollars a years and has 300 women like yourself applying.
@SFP
I think you have your answer here.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:27 pm to RollTide4547
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The dept of education is the threat to children. There are many good and great teachers, but sadly liberal pedos have been allowed in.
This is because, education is ran by mostly women. There was an experiment done. a batman toy was given to a young boy and young girl. The boy spent his time pretending he was batman. The girl spent time dressing up batman to look like her. Men and women are wired differently. Men are not inherently selfish, thinking only of themselves. Women, in general, are. It's not a bad thing, it's just different. But those negatives get shown in the workplace, and when an industry is primarily women, you see that industry all of a sudden demand undo praise.
"Teachers are heros"
"Nurses are heros"
You don't see "ironworkers are heros" medals on facebook.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:29 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
I didnt' address your article. I addressed you. Give me your response.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why would this not affect women?
From your previous post:
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Today, only 39% of young men who have completed high school are enrolled in college, down from 47% in 2011. The rate at which young female high school graduates enroll has also fallen, but not by nearly as much (from 52% to 48%).
Gotta go get the kids so I can't respond to the rest right now.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:29 pm to 4cubbies
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@SFP
I think you have your answer here.
No. His boomer nonsense doesn't answer the question, either.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:31 pm to 4cubbies
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From your previous post:
Yes, and men fell a LOT more. You're not answering the question.
The gap for affordability is accounted for in the overlap in both sexes having % decline.
There's still a MASSIVE gap left over for men you're NOT accounting for.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:34 pm to 4cubbies
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hat question disproved that women need more education to earn the same wages as men in rural America?
At least you've now pivoted to adding it's in rural America now that someone fact checked you.
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I am not claiming this. I am showing that women need more education to earn earn what less-educated men earn. That entices women to attend college. Money.
You haven't shown more education is REQUIRED for women in rural areas.
Can you not think of any reason why a lower percentage of women work in rural areas besides inequality?
Posted on 11/14/25 at 3:35 pm to 4cubbies
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but These Areas Need Greater Investment in
Education, Training, and Career Counselin
Once again these fields are dominated by women and the pay just isn't there. Nothing specific or special skills required other than attending college for 4- 8 years and getting a degree in education or liberal studies. Once again women have the highest percentage of these degrees and supply is high and the demand is there but these women think they have some specialized skill that separates them but they don't. Yet people like yourself scream the pay just doesn't equal what men get. Blah blah. Women need to realize that college degree doesn't hold that much prestige like they think it does and their pay reflects it.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 11/14/25 at 4:43 pm to 4cubbies
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Are we operating as if parents and students unquestioningly obey teachers now?
So you now admit that teachers all over brought up medication to parents?
I fully blame the parents for buying into it without question.
I don't blame the students, they were kids and had to do what they were told.
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I think we're pretty close in age. I was diagnosed with ADD when I was 3 or 4 in the late 80s because I was super hyper. I took Ritalin for maybe a week before my parent decided it altered my behavior too much and took me off. I still have a hard time sitting still and I get bored easily. I know I'm an anomaly though because girls weren't really diagnosed with ADHD at significant rates back then.
My parents refused to put me on it, or any of my brothers.
It's probably plenty obvious that I dive into anything that interests me lol.
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I can agree that this affects boys at higher rates than girls.
That's what I'm suggesting, I do think women catch up later, but I know a large number of males who have long term problems in work and relationships because they were so doped up for much of their life that they never got to develop as people.
This definitely drove some of the crisis, making friends is a known current generation male problem, it didn't get helped by so many barely engaging in the childhood.
There are a large number of causes, but this is one that is driving problems of current young men... adapting to society.
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IMO, expecting kids to sit still all day without unstructured play time negatively impacts their behavior more than having a woman teacher.
We continue to fully agree here.
But I do think it is no male teachers, coupled with no male father at home that makes things far worse, then there is no future version of themselves that they can see up close.
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ETA just to be clear, I do think all kids, but particularly boys, would benefit immensely from more male teachers.
My brother and I both agree with you, the same as if there were no female teachers that would be a travesty.
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