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re: What crime do they think TRUMP committed? Need a specific provision of the US Code.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:58 am to KiwiHead
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:58 am to KiwiHead
I can’t tell if you are being hyperbolic, but that is patently false. No one is above the law. If he did in fact request they investigate Biden solely for personal political gain, he should be held accountable. If Biden extorted the Ukrainian government for his family’s gain, he should be held accountable as well.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:09 pm to Eurocat
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Federal law makes it illegal to “solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation” from a foreign national. The question of whether or not the president ran afoul of that law certainly seems in play in light of what we saw in the transcript.
For purposes of this statute, a “contribution or donation” is defined as “money” or another “thing of value.” So a prosecution of Trump would hinge upon whether the opposition research Trump sought on Biden constitutes such a “thing of value.” Barr and Giuliani, meanwhile, could be considered accomplices in Trump’s effort to obtain opposition research from Ukraine’s president.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:50 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Not how it works.
You wish.
You wish.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:57 pm to DeathAndTaxes
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I can’t tell if you are being hyperbolic, but that is patently false
If anything I am understating my case....and I am 100% correct.
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No one is above the law.
Agreed, but no one is or has violated the law and they know this. Bribery does not pertain the President when dealing with another head of state. Also, Congress is not above the law either.
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If he did in fact request they investigate Biden solely for personal political gain, he should be held accountable. If Biden extorted the Ukrainian government for his family’s gain, he should be held accountable as well.
Too many of you seem to think that bribery statutes apply to the executive when negotiating deals with a foreign head of state, it does not. The executive "bribing" a foreign head of state is not construed as bribery. In that capacity Trump was well within the law and, Biden was well within the law, too as Vice President in the conduct of Obama's foreign policy.
Please go back and study Article 2 of the United States Constitution and the US Code. Elections Law do not apply to POTUS making deals with a recognized foreign head of state.......it just does not, sorry if it blows your mind.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:21 pm to KiwiHead
Simply put, our government has now sunk to the low that impeachment is, essentially, whatever the house of representatives wants to say it is. And, in actuality, it has always been that way.
However, the actual trial is in the senate. No way this gets that far with the upcoming election. I continue to say that the hor will never do an actual vote.
They simply cannot run the risk of actual evidence of their wrongdoing coming to light in the senate. You think schiff wants to be up there under oath responding to questions? You think he wants to risk perjury and all the attendant circumstances.
The Senate republicans will burn down all the house democrats and then vote down the impeachment
However, the actual trial is in the senate. No way this gets that far with the upcoming election. I continue to say that the hor will never do an actual vote.
They simply cannot run the risk of actual evidence of their wrongdoing coming to light in the senate. You think schiff wants to be up there under oath responding to questions? You think he wants to risk perjury and all the attendant circumstances.
The Senate republicans will burn down all the house democrats and then vote down the impeachment
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:31 pm to SSpaniel
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Federal law makes it illegal to “solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation” from a foreign national. The question of whether or not the president ran afoul of that law certainly seems in play in light of what we saw in the transcript.
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No it doesn't.
He must have been referring to the word-for-word, comma-for-comma, transcript that Trump said he had of the phone call that Trump had "locked down" after the phone call.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:32 pm to texridder
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He must have been referring to the word-for-word, comma-for-comma, transcript that Trump said he had of the phone call that Trump had "locked down" after the phone call.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:35 pm to dafif
For me the tell has been that Schiff has been given point on this because he is able to do things in camera. If this was truly about the President shaking down someone or breaking the law, it would be Fat Jerry and his clown show doing things out in the open......along with Government Oversight making a lot of noise as well and I don't hear much from Elijah Cummings thus far.
This tells me that they KNOW that there is no controlling statute. If they were going the bribery route, lawyers would be handing Nancy and Jerry there proverbial asses on a platter....See the McDonnell case in VA
If this goes to the Senate it's over for Nancy....and she knows it. Why all this protection for Biden ? He did not break the law either......he got his kid a job in another country that he just so happened to be shaking down
This tells me that they KNOW that there is no controlling statute. If they were going the bribery route, lawyers would be handing Nancy and Jerry there proverbial asses on a platter....See the McDonnell case in VA
If this goes to the Senate it's over for Nancy....and she knows it. Why all this protection for Biden ? He did not break the law either......he got his kid a job in another country that he just so happened to be shaking down
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:35 pm to AuburnTigers
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.then the inquiry by Trump would be justified as American and Ukraine have a long standing Treaty regarding cooperation in rooting out corruption
Nope. That treaty describes cooperation in existing investigations by the requesting country.
Which is why the letter was the 3 Democratic congressman requesting that Ukraine cooperate in the Mueller investigation was covered under that treaty.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:36 pm to texridder
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existing investigations
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Which is why the letter was the 3 Democratic congressman requesting that Ukraine cooperate in the Mueller investigation was covered under that treaty.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:37 pm to texridder
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He must have been referring to the word-for-word, comma-for-comma, transcript that Trump said he had of the phone call that Trump had "locked down" after the phone call.
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texridder
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:38 pm to SSpaniel
DixRider has got heem "locked down" of course that's a different classified server but hey you know "locked down"!
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:48 pm to Eurocat
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For purposes of this statute, a “contribution or donation” is defined as “money” or another “thing of value.” So a prosecution of Trump would hinge upon whether the opposition research Trump sought on Biden constitutes such a “thing of value.” Barr and Giuliani, meanwhile, could be considered accomplices in Trump’s effort to obtain opposition research from Ukraine’s president.
LOL, maybe the defense could try.....Well since Trump is head of the executive and Barr is the Chief law enforcement officer in the country it is their duty per the constitution and signed treaty with the government of the Ukraine to investigate whether Biden was involved with corrupt dealings in the Ukraine.
He's on tape threatening to withhold funds unless the prosecutor investigating his corrupt son was fired.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:54 pm to texridder
texridder
Are you actually on this board saying that there was not a prior investigation????
Are you a retard?
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That treaty describes cooperation in existing investigations by the requesting country.
Are you actually on this board saying that there was not a prior investigation????
Are you a retard?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:07 pm to texridder
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That treaty describes cooperation in existing investigations by the requesting country.
Do you actually read what you write? I'm not sure your reading comprehension is up to par
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:24 pm to KiwiHead
I am Trump guyBut impeachment is purely political exercise not a legal one
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:37 pm to zeebo
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I am Trump guyBut impeachment is purely political exercise not a legal one
Correct, but they are using a malfeasance charge more than anything else. Maybe abuse of power.....nothing legal in any of this. If they go to impeachment and get it through before primary season, McConnell will eviscerate them
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:51 pm to KiwiHead
Can you provide any backup at all to the statement that bribery does not apply to the executive branch?
Ignoring the possibility that he was attempting to leverage public assets for personal gain, what language exactly makes you believe that he can bribe foreign leaders?
Ignoring the possibility that he was attempting to leverage public assets for personal gain, what language exactly makes you believe that he can bribe foreign leaders?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:05 pm to dafif
quote:A prior investigation into Biden?
Are you actually on this board saying that there was not a prior investigation????
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