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re: What crime do they think TRUMP committed? Need a specific provision of the US Code.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:07 pm to DeathAndTaxes
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:07 pm to DeathAndTaxes
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that is not enough indication that he was operating on Obama's orders?
It's enough indication that Obama delegated that negotiation authority to him not enough that Obama ordered that he demand the prosecutor INVESTIGATING HIS SON'S CORRUPT AF COMPANY be fired.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:11 pm to SoulBrotha91
Ah, ok, the 15th time you yelled Article II made the words jump right out at me, I see now where I missed it, because Article II, Section 2 is so long:
I'm done, you have thoroughly beaten me with your incredible intellect.
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The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
I'm done, you have thoroughly beaten me with your incredible intellect.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:49 pm to Eurocat
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For purposes of this statute, a “contribution or donation” is defined as “money” or another “thing of value.” So a prosecution of Trump would hinge upon whether the opposition research Trump sought on Biden constitutes such a “thing of value.” Barr and Giuliani, meanwhile, could be considered accomplices in Trump’s effort to obtain opposition research from Ukraine’s president.
And the Hilldawg/DNC didn’t do the same thing in 2016?
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:49 pm to Eurocat
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Federal law makes it illegal to “solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation” from a foreign national.
Remind me again where the majority of donors to the Clinton Foundation came from?
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:58 pm to SoulBrotha91
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My thing is, if it benefits both him politically and the country at the same time and done through the President's negotiation power of Article II, who cares? Biden admitted ON CAMERA to extorting an ally over his son's corrupt company. Everything Presidents do when it comes to foreign policy and diplomacy comes with another motive to benefit themselves electorally bc when the country does great, the President gets re-elected. Criminalizing these communications (that should've never been leaked in the first place) would set a horrifying precedent when it comes to constitutional responsibilities. I hope the people arguing Trump and bribery realize this. When the Swamp continues to do Swamp things, we'll blame them first.
This is total idiocy. Americans seem to be proud of the sacrifices we've made throughout the existence of our nation to defend the freedoms and rights we've earned for ourselves, and then an idiot says something like this.
That an act of a US President in influencing foreign governments and foreign government actors to provide a service for him that he benefits from politically - and at the detriment of a political rival - also benefits the country, is nothing but subjective opinion. What is NOT subjective, is the Constitutional Emoluments Clause that prohibits such acts.
And I can guarantee this idiot, that if the shoe was on the other side and it was say, Obama doing the exact same thing, he'd be calling for a public execution of him. What Hillary did with her email situation was wrong and stupid, and I would never want her to be elected as President, but the Republican Congress ran some 85 inquiry's/investigations into what happened, and Trump is STILL lambasting her for it, and all she did was violate a White House security policy. This is the violation of a Constitutional law, and this idiot says, "who cares?"
Wow.....
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:59 pm to elprez00
quote:charities can accept foreign donations, just not for campaign purposes.
Remind me again where the majority of donors to the Clinton Foundation came from?
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:00 pm to ConwayGamecock
A lawful investigation has no monetary value.
HAIL TRUMP!
HAIL TRUMP!
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:16 pm to ConwayGamecock
This is LITERALLY the dumbest thing I've ever read completely devoid of logic and knowledge of REALITY so now I will proceed to eviscerate this argument big point by point
This is REALITY of both LIFE and POLITICS, deal with it
Presidents do this ALL THE TIME when they negotiate good trade deals with other deals or, in the case of Nixon in 1972, open China and negotiate Salt I
Moreover, maybe Joe Biden shouldn't have abused his power to get the prosecutor INVESTIGATING HIS SON'S CORRUPT AF COMPANY FIRED, ever think of that?!
So are you making the case we shouldn't investigate in tandem with Ukraine whether Biden committed a massive abuse of his power over a conflict of interest? Cmon man THAT'S AN ABDICATION OF THE PRESIDENT'S DUTY.
Oh give it a rest, Never Trump Ive heard that bullshite too many times
You don't know anything about me, Obama's Admin was corrupt AF but I wouldn't reach that far as you are stating
Did you ever read Comey's speech on what Hillary did? She violated multiple federal laws and obstructed justice particularly 18 USC 1924, this is uncontrovertible. MOREOVER
600 SECURITY VIOLATIONS!!!
This isn't emailing someone for a lunch date, this is national security we're talking about here!
Major-arse reach he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't strive to investigate ACTUAL CORRUPTION
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This is total idiocy.
This is REALITY of both LIFE and POLITICS, deal with it
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That an act of a US President in influencing foreign governments and foreign government actors to provide a service for him that he benefits from politically - and at the detriment of a political rival
Presidents do this ALL THE TIME when they negotiate good trade deals with other deals or, in the case of Nixon in 1972, open China and negotiate Salt I
Moreover, maybe Joe Biden shouldn't have abused his power to get the prosecutor INVESTIGATING HIS SON'S CORRUPT AF COMPANY FIRED, ever think of that?!
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is nothing but subjective opinion
So are you making the case we shouldn't investigate in tandem with Ukraine whether Biden committed a massive abuse of his power over a conflict of interest? Cmon man THAT'S AN ABDICATION OF THE PRESIDENT'S DUTY.
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What is NOT subjective, is the Constitutional Emoluments Clause that prohibits such acts.
Oh give it a rest, Never Trump Ive heard that bullshite too many times
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And I can guarantee this idiot, that if the shoe was on the other side and it was say, Obama doing the exact same thing, he'd be calling for a public execution of him.
You don't know anything about me, Obama's Admin was corrupt AF but I wouldn't reach that far as you are stating
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What Hillary did with her email situation was wrong and stupid, and I would never want her to be elected as President, but the Republican Congress ran some 85 inquiry's/investigations into what happened, and Trump is STILL lambasting her for it, and all she did was violate a White House security policy.
Did you ever read Comey's speech on what Hillary did? She violated multiple federal laws and obstructed justice particularly 18 USC 1924, this is uncontrovertible. MOREOVER
600 SECURITY VIOLATIONS!!!
This isn't emailing someone for a lunch date, this is national security we're talking about here!
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This is the violation of a Constitutional law, and this idiot says, "who cares?"
Major-arse reach he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't strive to investigate ACTUAL CORRUPTION
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:30 pm to elprez00
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Federal law makes it illegal to “solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation” from a foreign national.quote:
Remind me again where the majority of donors to the Clinton Foundation came from?
Are you OK with the Clinton Foundation getting donations from foreign sources?? Because this site hasn't exactly been kind to Clinton like, for ever.
Are you NOT OK with it? Because, Trump has his own foundation as well - remind me where the majority of donors come from for it. What exactly ARE you trying to say, here?
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