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re: What classified documents do YOU think should be ok for a former ...
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:07 pm to Marcus Aurelius
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:07 pm to Marcus Aurelius
No clue at all. My first thought is why do they need any at all?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:11 pm to Marcus Aurelius
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They don't belong to them... they belong to us
If they belong to us please show them to me. It seems they belong to the deep state, and anything that threatens the deep state is kept from you.
In what fricking world is it in your best interest to not see the documents that show illegality and lies from the government to its people?
It seems it’s their documents that serve at their benefit.
The people elected trump to fight this, and declassifying the documents was part of that.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:11 pm to Marcus Aurelius
As many as they want. The Deep State would be weaker if we didn't allow over 1 Billion classified documents. The people should have full access.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:23 pm to AggieHank86
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I don't see a slope at all. "You not POTUS no more. NO DOX FOR YOU."
You stated they have the power to declassify, but you questioned the writer’s belief that we elect honorable men.
I was stating it was a slippery slope for you to unilaterally want to judge who is honorable. WTF are you even talking about?
We know you would hate on Trump for nothing while Obama and Biden were caught spying and illegally targeting political opponents. Since it would be biasedly used I said it was a slippery slope.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:25 pm to Marcus Aurelius
They really should have no need to take any of them....
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:26 pm to Marcus Aurelius
Trump has you so messed up, seek help
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:27 pm to ericberryistheman
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The people should have full access.
Sure, lets just post our war plan vs another country. Surely that won't cause any problems. And post the locations of everyone in witness protection
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:28 pm to Marcus Aurelius
You need to get Trumps penis out your throat. Jesus man
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:28 pm to Marcus Aurelius
You literally cannot have any level legitimate discussion about this unless one has a working knowledge of how the mass of documents in question come to be part of that mass of documents. It most definitely is not a matter of the President or his staff slipping into this file room and that storage room and targeting specific documents to leave the WH with. That’s a preposterous concept on its face and it should not take any more than standard common sense to mentally upload.
The President doesn’t just have open access to top secret documents residing within the Pentagon and such. The records that were at MAL were for any number of thousands of legit reasons directed to the Office of the President. Think of what all the President is involved in. Everything. Thus, obviously, as with any other office setting, there are endless documents and records and files etc. Those are retained, maintained, stored, protected, etc solely by the Office of the President particularly during the President’s active tenure.
If and when that President must leave office, they don’t simply leave all that information behind for someone else to deal with. That outgoing President (his people) pack it all, secure it and dedicate an acceptable site in which to securely store AND GO THROUGH that massive amount of information and documentation to make their rightful determinations of personal (keepers) or Presidential (to the Archives) and so on. And that massive amount of information to go through does and always will include “classified” and “top secret” records, yes even national defense, military and intelligence records that were intended for the President’s office to begin with. Even the left and DOJ understand and acknowledge that the President will always have to “take” classified information with him from the WH.
Tl;dr ; don’t give a damn nohow
The President doesn’t just have open access to top secret documents residing within the Pentagon and such. The records that were at MAL were for any number of thousands of legit reasons directed to the Office of the President. Think of what all the President is involved in. Everything. Thus, obviously, as with any other office setting, there are endless documents and records and files etc. Those are retained, maintained, stored, protected, etc solely by the Office of the President particularly during the President’s active tenure.
If and when that President must leave office, they don’t simply leave all that information behind for someone else to deal with. That outgoing President (his people) pack it all, secure it and dedicate an acceptable site in which to securely store AND GO THROUGH that massive amount of information and documentation to make their rightful determinations of personal (keepers) or Presidential (to the Archives) and so on. And that massive amount of information to go through does and always will include “classified” and “top secret” records, yes even national defense, military and intelligence records that were intended for the President’s office to begin with. Even the left and DOJ understand and acknowledge that the President will always have to “take” classified information with him from the WH.
Tl;dr ; don’t give a damn nohow
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:29 pm to Colonel Flagg
All presidents have dox at home. Obama has some was already memtioned after a raid at Trumps home.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:30 pm to Marcus Aurelius
Ever hear of equal Justice? You should try it.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:42 pm to Marcus Aurelius
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So, are you saying that highly classified documents that the President has declassified ... you would be ok with that... with no criteria? In other words, no difference between a document the President declassified on his own about nuclear weapons and blowing up China would be no difference than one that was 75 years old and had no longer had any national security repercussions that the National Archives agreed was ok to have?
Here's what most fair minded people are saying and thinking.
No fricks were given by the National Archives when other presidents took documents upon leaving office until Trump took some documents, obviously documents the Bureaucratic State did not want Trump to have. Don't be surprised if some of the documents were related to Crossfire Hurricane and Ukraine corruption, the Bureaucratic State doesn't want anyone possessing those documents unredacted.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:10 pm to Marcus Aurelius
Ronbots pushing lib talking points... again
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:14 pm to AggieHank86
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As I see it, the problem is that the Drafters of the Constitution started from the premise that anyone elected POTUS would be a person of good character and would not misuse information that came into his possession.
I am uncertain that this premise remains valid.
Did the drafters only expect the elected president to be of good character?
Which entity in the OP do you feel misued any confidential material in their possession during or after their term in office?
Trump?
Pence?
Hillary?
Biden?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:50 pm to LSUBALLER
You confirm that a large percentage of ATs are WT. Did you go to LSU? Just wondering if you made it out of HS.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 4:15 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Wouldn’t it declassify immediately once they put it in a situation it would have had to be declassified?
nope
nothing happens automatically.
depending on the clearance one or two levels of committees deal with it.
they notify the people who are in the field, other countries and or USA agencies.
its not a switch on off.
paper work is marked.
only trump floated the fairy tale of declassification by osmosis.
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