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re: What are your thoughts on the Alaska Primary?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:15 am to PeepNCroom
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:15 am to PeepNCroom
quote:That it went EXACTLY as anyone who has even the slightest understanding of politics KNEW it would go.
What are your thoughts on the Alaska Primary?
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:16 am to PeepNCroom
Alaskans are stupid
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:16 am to AggieHank86
quote:
That it went EXACTLY as anyone who has even the slightest understanding of politics KNEW it would go.
This is exactly it
Anybody who's lived in Alaska long enough (it doesn't take much, I figured it out in < 6 years) knew exactly how this thing would turn out
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:18 am to The Boat
How does this
I understand that (for some reason) you do not like "ranked choice" voting, but how does this arrangement equate to communism in your head?
Please be detailed in your response.
quote:equal this
They don’t have separate primaries anymore. It’s an open primary. Top 4 move on. Ranked choice used in the general election.
quote:???
total commie bullshite
I understand that (for some reason) you do not like "ranked choice" voting, but how does this arrangement equate to communism in your head?
Please be detailed in your response.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:21 am to teke184
quote:And exactly the opposite in a heavily Red jurisdiction.
In practice, it will be the Dems voting for their own guy first and the most lefty Republican second, which means that any right of center candidate will be at a severe disadvantage.
In both cases, you get candidates and elected officials who are better-aligned with their constituency.
Assuming that you believe in representative government rather than just team jerseys, how is that a bad thing?
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 9:22 am
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:23 am to AggieHank86
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Assuming that you believe in representative government rather than just team jerseys, how is that a bad thing?
I think in theory it can work, it just won't work in Alaska...which is weird given the large amount of undecided/independent voters.
It needs to get in some other, more populous and diverse states besides Alaska and Maine to see if it works in practice.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:24 am to gaetti15
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except it hasn't done this in either State (Alaska/Maine) that it currently operates in
Both of which should be IDEAL environments for electing Independents because of the large independent voter pools.
It's inconclusive in Maine because Maine has voted for long-term independent candidates at the Federal level even before ranked choice voting was voted on in 2016.
So it's inconclusive in Maine, but conclusive in Alaska which held its first and only ranked choice election just now?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:25 am to teke184
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The theory of ranked choice is good. In practice, it will be the Dems voting for their own guy first and the most lefty Republican second, which means that any right of center candidate will be at a severe disadvantage.
It'll depend on the electorate, if the majority is right of center, then they'd be the winner. If the majority of the electorate is slightly left of center, then that person will win. It's almost like.. democracy.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:32 am to efrad
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but conclusive in Alaska which held its first and only ranked choice election just now?
look at Alaska's historical Federal level voting and get back to me.
They LOVE long-term incumbents because it gives them much more power for being such a small and very unpopulated State.
Murkowski will continue to be a Senator until she dies, retires, or gets caught up in a huge scandal like Stevens did.
Sullivan will continue to be a Senator until he dies, retires, or gets caught up in a huge scandal.
Whoever wins the House special election will continue to be a Congress member until he/she dies, retires, or gets caught up in a huge scandal.
The last person to only get voted for a one term Senate seat was Begich, and he was a Democrat and lost to a guy (Sullivan) who barely spent time in Alaska before running for office (was actually the current governor of Alaska's chief of staff while he was mayor of Anchorage).
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:33 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Alaskans are stupid
Alaskans ensured their checks from Uncle Sugar keep coming.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:33 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
Ranked choice voting was put into place SPECIFICALLY FOR Murkowski.
Wasn't it voted on by the people of Alaska?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:39 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Wasn't it voted on by the people of Alaska?
keep in mind, it only passed by ~ 4,000 people (<1% of the vote).
Depending on how people like it over the next couple of cycles, it could easily get reversed
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:42 am to gaetti15
quote:
look at Alaska's historical Federal level voting and get back to me.
They LOVE long-term incumbents because it gives them much more power for being such a small and very unpopulated State.
I agree with your take on Alaskan politics, but that just means that ranked choice won't be an absolute panacea against the uniparty, which I don't think anyone claimed it would be. It will loosen the grip of the uniparty, when compared to first past the post voting, but it's still up against the system and the odds which you just laid out.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 9:43 am
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:43 am to gaetti15
quote:
think in theory it can work, it just won't work in Alaska...which is weird given the large amount of undecided/independent voters.
But it is working in Alaska. How is it not, in your view?
The purpose of ranked choice voting is not to end the two party system. That is not going to happen regardless due to other factors in our election system and political culture. The purpose is to elect representatives that actually represented the majority of the constituency.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:44 am to PeepNCroom
Murkowski will hold that seat till she dies or doesn't want it anymore.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:44 am to gaetti15
quote:
It will never accomplish one of its stated goals of representing getting third parties more elected
If that was a stated goal, then someone involved in pushing it is an idiot. Because that is not going to happen no matter what.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:46 am to The Boat
quote:
I've hated ranked choice long before 2022, brother
Why won't you explain your reasoning?
I like ranked choice voting because I like representative government. I despise the traditional primary system because it caters to the extreme 10% on either side and results in representatives that do not actually represent the majority of the constituency. Plurality victories should never happen for Congressional elections.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:50 am to Indefatigable
quote:Indeed a good question.
I've hated ranked choice long before 2022, brotherquote:
Why won't you explain your reasoning?
"Total commie bullshite" is a big claim. I am really interested to see it supported/explained.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:52 am to The Boat
quote:
total commie bullshite
the opposite really. do you understand this replaces runoff? and in states with one strong party they get two candidates in the general .
commie bullshite would be one candidate.
Russian bullshite is when the insider gets primetime tv spin support every day and the opposition gets arrested.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:59 am to Indefatigable
quote:
If that was a stated goal, then someone involved in pushing it is an idiot. Because that is not going to happen no matter what.
That was primarily what I heard from the lobbying group in Alaska that pushed for it
at least that's what they were pushing in rural Alaska FYI. Maybe they dumbed down their message for folks
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