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What are your thoughts on the Alaska Primary?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:31 am
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:31 am
Nm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:34 am to PeepNCroom
Name recognition / dynastic politics have propped up Murkuntski before so this isn’t really a surprise.
She also didn’t go full retard like Liz Cheney did. She picked her spots.
She also didn’t go full retard like Liz Cheney did. She picked her spots.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:34 am to PeepNCroom
Their voting system sucks and Alaska is mostly a welfare state
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:36 am to teke184
dont they take the top 2 or 4 for the general election
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:37 am to PeepNCroom
Ranked choice voting was put into place SPECIFICALLY FOR Murkowski.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:37 am to AubieinNC2009
This is the GOP primary. Last time she lost, she ran as a write-in and won because Dems and independents wanted her.
I don’t see an insurgent campaign beating her if she is GOP nominee.
I don’t see an insurgent campaign beating her if she is GOP nominee.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:38 am to teke184
From my post in the other thread.
It's slightly different in Alaska.
First, Alaska already had a fierce independent streak and most of its registered voters are independent or undeclared. This is why the ranked choice voting group lobbied so hard for it after Maine passed it (Maine is more liberal than Alaska, but also is pretty independent).
Second, Murkowski always has a decent chance of winning in this contest because Alaskans LOVE to keep in long-term members of Congress. Don Young is a great example of that. Most of Alaskans only care that they can get more and more Fed monies given Fedgov owns most of the land in the State (and has a large military presence and Native presence).
The way that Alaskans get money in spite of their smaller State population is by continually electing folks that at LEAST meet this bare minimum requirement (get lots of money). The longer the member is in Congress, the better chances are that they have a senior chair seat and advocate for Alaskan positions.
For folks looking for examples,
Ted Stevens (R) term length 1968 - 2009,
Frank Murkowski (R) term length 1981-2002,
Lisa Murkowski (R) term length 2002-present,
Don Young (R) term length 1973 - present,
Hell, Dan Sullivan (R) has been in Ted Steven's senators seat since 2015 and just won another 6 years. He beat his Democrat opponent Al Gross by 13 points in 2020.
It's slightly different in Alaska.
First, Alaska already had a fierce independent streak and most of its registered voters are independent or undeclared. This is why the ranked choice voting group lobbied so hard for it after Maine passed it (Maine is more liberal than Alaska, but also is pretty independent).
Second, Murkowski always has a decent chance of winning in this contest because Alaskans LOVE to keep in long-term members of Congress. Don Young is a great example of that. Most of Alaskans only care that they can get more and more Fed monies given Fedgov owns most of the land in the State (and has a large military presence and Native presence).
The way that Alaskans get money in spite of their smaller State population is by continually electing folks that at LEAST meet this bare minimum requirement (get lots of money). The longer the member is in Congress, the better chances are that they have a senior chair seat and advocate for Alaskan positions.
For folks looking for examples,
Ted Stevens (R) term length 1968 - 2009,
Frank Murkowski (R) term length 1981-2002,
Lisa Murkowski (R) term length 2002-present,
Don Young (R) term length 1973 - present,
Hell, Dan Sullivan (R) has been in Ted Steven's senators seat since 2015 and just won another 6 years. He beat his Democrat opponent Al Gross by 13 points in 2020.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 8:39 am
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:41 am to teke184
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This is the GOP primary. Last time she lost, she ran as a write-in and won because Dems and independents wanted her.
They don’t have separate primaries anymore. It’s an open primary. Top 4 move on. Ranked choice used in the general election.
In other words… total commie bullshite
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:49 am to PeepNCroom
The phrase "timing is everything" will come into play here. major scandal about Murkowski will be revealed. stay tuned.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:51 am to TulaneFan
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Their voting system sucks
Ranked choice is by far the superior option to what other states do. First past the post voting is awful.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:53 am to The Boat
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In other words… total commie bullshite
Why? Ranked choice is far better in every way over the traditional primary system, which sucks balls and panders to the extremes. Plurality districts are also awful. No one should be winning elections to congress with 38% of the vote in their constituency.
I don’t get the hate for ranked choice other than you guys hate Murkowski.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 8:55 am
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:56 am to Indefatigable
The theory of ranked choice is good.
In practice, it will be the Dems voting for their own guy first and the most lefty Republican second, which means that any right of center candidate will be at a severe disadvantage.
In practice, it will be the Dems voting for their own guy first and the most lefty Republican second, which means that any right of center candidate will be at a severe disadvantage.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:58 am to teke184
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In practice, it will be the Dems voting for their own guy first and the most lefty Republican second, which means that any right of center candidate will be at a severe disadvantage.
That would work both ways.
And besides, if a right of center candidate does not have the support of 50%+1 of the constituency, why should they be elected to represent them?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:58 am to TulaneFan
quote:I never knew anything about it until yesterday and it is asinine. I cant understand how you ever expect to get anyone elected that stands for something.
Their voting system sucks
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:59 am to teke184
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The theory of ranked choice is good.
It will never accomplish one of its stated goals of representing getting third parties more elected
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:01 am to Indefatigable
And the left of center candidate does?
The entire point of having a runoff is for someone to get 50% plus one vote or more so that the person winning had an actual majority of votes.
The way it works for this, it means everyone games the votes and you still have to trust that the tabulations of ranked votes are on the up and up.
The entire point of having a runoff is for someone to get 50% plus one vote or more so that the person winning had an actual majority of votes.
The way it works for this, it means everyone games the votes and you still have to trust that the tabulations of ranked votes are on the up and up.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:09 am to Indefatigable
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I don’t get the hate for ranked choice other than you guys hate Murkowski.
I've hated ranked choice long before 2022, brother
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:10 am to Indefatigable
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Why? Ranked choice is far better in every way over the traditional primary system, which sucks balls and panders to the extremes. Plurality districts are also awful. No one should be winning elections to congress with 38% of the vote in their constituency.
I don’t get the hate for ranked choice other than you guys hate Murkowski.
I don't get it either. Ranked choice is the best way to defeat the uniparty/two party system. It eliminates the problem of RINOs splitting the vote. Any disadvantages it gives Republicans, it also gives to Democrats -- which is the point for advocates, to loosen the grip of the two party system.
If we had it in '92, the Bush/Perot split would never have happened, Clinton would never have been elected, and the Clinton machine wouldn't exist.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:12 am to efrad
41 running the shittiest incumbent campaign in history meant that he probably would have lost regardless.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:14 am to efrad
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I don't get it either. Ranked choice is the best way to defeat the uniparty/two party system. It eliminates the problem of RINOs splitting the vote. Any disadvantages it gives Republicans, it also gives to Democrats -- which is the point for advocates, to loosen the grip of the two party system.
except it hasn't done this in either State (Alaska/Maine) that it currently operates in
Both of which should be IDEAL environments for electing Independents because of the large independent voter pools.
It's inconclusive in Maine because Maine has voted for long-term independent candidates at the Federal level even before ranked choice voting was voted on in 2016.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 9:16 am
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