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What are your thoughts on the Alaska Primary?

Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:31 am
Posted by PeepNCroom
Member since May 2016
820 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:31 am
Nm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95368 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:34 am to
Name recognition / dynastic politics have propped up Murkuntski before so this isn’t really a surprise.

She also didn’t go full retard like Liz Cheney did. She picked her spots.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14035 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:34 am to
Their voting system sucks and Alaska is mostly a welfare state
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
4941 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:36 am to
dont they take the top 2 or 4 for the general election
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:37 am to
Ranked choice voting was put into place SPECIFICALLY FOR Murkowski.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95368 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:37 am to
This is the GOP primary. Last time she lost, she ran as a write-in and won because Dems and independents wanted her.

I don’t see an insurgent campaign beating her if she is GOP nominee.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:38 am to
From my post in the other thread.

It's slightly different in Alaska.

First, Alaska already had a fierce independent streak and most of its registered voters are independent or undeclared. This is why the ranked choice voting group lobbied so hard for it after Maine passed it (Maine is more liberal than Alaska, but also is pretty independent).

Second, Murkowski always has a decent chance of winning in this contest because Alaskans LOVE to keep in long-term members of Congress. Don Young is a great example of that. Most of Alaskans only care that they can get more and more Fed monies given Fedgov owns most of the land in the State (and has a large military presence and Native presence).

The way that Alaskans get money in spite of their smaller State population is by continually electing folks that at LEAST meet this bare minimum requirement (get lots of money). The longer the member is in Congress, the better chances are that they have a senior chair seat and advocate for Alaskan positions.
For folks looking for examples,

Ted Stevens (R) term length 1968 - 2009,
Frank Murkowski (R) term length 1981-2002,
Lisa Murkowski (R) term length 2002-present,
Don Young (R) term length 1973 - present,

Hell, Dan Sullivan (R) has been in Ted Steven's senators seat since 2015 and just won another 6 years. He beat his Democrat opponent Al Gross by 13 points in 2020.

This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 8:39 am
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164137 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:41 am to
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This is the GOP primary. Last time she lost, she ran as a write-in and won because Dems and independents wanted her.

They don’t have separate primaries anymore. It’s an open primary. Top 4 move on. Ranked choice used in the general election.

In other words… total commie bullshite
Posted by 3Son
1st Son in present times
Member since Jan 2017
2258 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:49 am to
The phrase "timing is everything" will come into play here. major scandal about Murkowski will be revealed. stay tuned.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26207 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:51 am to
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Their voting system sucks

Ranked choice is by far the superior option to what other states do. First past the post voting is awful.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26207 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:53 am to
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In other words… total commie bullshite

Why? Ranked choice is far better in every way over the traditional primary system, which sucks balls and panders to the extremes. Plurality districts are also awful. No one should be winning elections to congress with 38% of the vote in their constituency.

I don’t get the hate for ranked choice other than you guys hate Murkowski.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 8:55 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95368 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:56 am to
The theory of ranked choice is good.

In practice, it will be the Dems voting for their own guy first and the most lefty Republican second, which means that any right of center candidate will be at a severe disadvantage.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26207 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:58 am to
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In practice, it will be the Dems voting for their own guy first and the most lefty Republican second, which means that any right of center candidate will be at a severe disadvantage.

That would work both ways.

And besides, if a right of center candidate does not have the support of 50%+1 of the constituency, why should they be elected to represent them?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56270 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:58 am to
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Their voting system sucks
I never knew anything about it until yesterday and it is asinine. I cant understand how you ever expect to get anyone elected that stands for something.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:59 am to
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The theory of ranked choice is good.



It will never accomplish one of its stated goals of representing getting third parties more elected
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95368 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:01 am to
And the left of center candidate does?

The entire point of having a runoff is for someone to get 50% plus one vote or more so that the person winning had an actual majority of votes.

The way it works for this, it means everyone games the votes and you still have to trust that the tabulations of ranked votes are on the up and up.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164137 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:09 am to
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I don’t get the hate for ranked choice other than you guys hate Murkowski.


I've hated ranked choice long before 2022, brother
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18645 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:10 am to
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Why? Ranked choice is far better in every way over the traditional primary system, which sucks balls and panders to the extremes. Plurality districts are also awful. No one should be winning elections to congress with 38% of the vote in their constituency.

I don’t get the hate for ranked choice other than you guys hate Murkowski.


I don't get it either. Ranked choice is the best way to defeat the uniparty/two party system. It eliminates the problem of RINOs splitting the vote. Any disadvantages it gives Republicans, it also gives to Democrats -- which is the point for advocates, to loosen the grip of the two party system.

If we had it in '92, the Bush/Perot split would never have happened, Clinton would never have been elected, and the Clinton machine wouldn't exist.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95368 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:12 am to
41 running the shittiest incumbent campaign in history meant that he probably would have lost regardless.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13365 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 9:14 am to
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I don't get it either. Ranked choice is the best way to defeat the uniparty/two party system. It eliminates the problem of RINOs splitting the vote. Any disadvantages it gives Republicans, it also gives to Democrats -- which is the point for advocates, to loosen the grip of the two party system.


except it hasn't done this in either State (Alaska/Maine) that it currently operates in

Both of which should be IDEAL environments for electing Independents because of the large independent voter pools.

It's inconclusive in Maine because Maine has voted for long-term independent candidates at the Federal level even before ranked choice voting was voted on in 2016.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 9:16 am
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