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re: We've become a three-party system and it's not been acknowledged yet
Posted on 8/21/20 at 9:19 am to tigerterrace
Posted on 8/21/20 at 9:19 am to tigerterrace
The fact that you think Nikki Haley is a viable choice for anti-war conservatives shows that you need to learn more and post less until you do
Posted on 8/21/20 at 9:26 am to Scoob
excellent points
so it's the Dems who will splinter into a third party and the John Kasichs and his mice can march their asses over there
that's a way of looking at it, yes
so it's the Dems who will splinter into a third party and the John Kasichs and his mice can march their asses over there
that's a way of looking at it, yes
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:27 am to 93and99
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How in the frick is someone conservative if they grant amnesty to illegals ?
While I agree that popular republicans are often able to get unpopular (among conservatives/republicans anyway) legislation through congress, simply by virtue of it being a democrat agenda item, you have to take into account that democrats can simply ignore their end of bargains and deals with no consequences. Reagan's amnesty was to be the agreement that all but stopped illegal immigration across our southern border. But once signed, Tip O'Neal and the democrats chuckled as they nudged each other, laughing about the middle finger they knew they were about to present the president on closing the southern border. Not conservative? I don't know. Being gullible enough to let piece of shite democrats frick them legislatively is practically a cottage industry among republicans and conservatives. Which is why it is nice to see Trump demanding a physical barrier and actual legislative change on border policy, before caving on another amnesty.
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How in the frick is someone conservative if they expand the EIC ?
You do know being president doesn't make you king, correct? Do you also know that Reagan never once had a Republican majority in the House for his entire term? Do you know that there were at least as many, but probably more arse-sucking republicans in congress for Reagan, like Mitt Romney and John McCain have been for Trump? You aren't being realistic about politics in this country.
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Granting amnesty to illegals is a slap in the face to REAL conservatives.
Expanding a handout program is a slap in the face to REAL conservatives.
Sorry, as someone who argued with his teachers in elementary school about Ronald Reagan, born in 1970, first eligible to vote in 1988, who is a conservative that has voted conservative/republican in every federal, state, county, and municipal election since that time PRECISELY BECAUSE OF RONALD REAGAN, pissing on his memory is the real slap in the face to REALconservatives.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:56 am to 93and99
REAL conservatives work hard, believe in family and believe in God
That's the high majority of Latino people, and God bless them. I want them in America.
Are you saying lazy arse fatass people who live off "disability" since the age of 30 because they're real good at knowing how to lie are "conservatives"
They're legal and laying around on welfare and draining your wallet, because they're pathological liars.
Give me the hard working Latinos and send the lazy fatass Americans to El Salvadore
That's the high majority of Latino people, and God bless them. I want them in America.
Are you saying lazy arse fatass people who live off "disability" since the age of 30 because they're real good at knowing how to lie are "conservatives"
They're legal and laying around on welfare and draining your wallet, because they're pathological liars.
Give me the hard working Latinos and send the lazy fatass Americans to El Salvadore
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:56 am to Harry Rex Vonner
The Trump Populist Party is the new Republican Party. We just have to hope that some of these old fashioned republicans, that stay on the republican side, change their ways a little bit and become more of a modern day republican.
The Democratic Party is split into two, between the establishment and the socialists, and they obviously can’t get their shite together on what they want to do. The establishment is made up of old fashioned Dems and Republicans, and the socialists are made up of all the young future voters of this country, which scares the hell out of me because I’m a college kid who will have to grow up with these socialists. These socialists are also going to become the Democratic Party in the future, it’s inevitable. The socialists are what’s going to tear this country apart and ruin it
The Democratic Party is split into two, between the establishment and the socialists, and they obviously can’t get their shite together on what they want to do. The establishment is made up of old fashioned Dems and Republicans, and the socialists are made up of all the young future voters of this country, which scares the hell out of me because I’m a college kid who will have to grow up with these socialists. These socialists are also going to become the Democratic Party in the future, it’s inevitable. The socialists are what’s going to tear this country apart and ruin it
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:03 am to sta4ever
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We just have to hope that some of these old fashioned republicans, that stay on the republican side, change their ways a little bit and become more of a modern day republican.
My rep in Congress is Steve Womack - he's a fake POS. His conservative rating before Trump was around 30%, then when Trump came in his rating rose to 70 something percent, which means he's a big fake.
I've voted for this libertarian guy last election and I will again in November
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Steve Womack is part of the problem in America. He's a big a fake as Ellen Hair Gowdy
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:08 am to troyt37
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You do know being president doesn't make you king, correct? Do you also know that Reagan never once had a Republican majority in the House for his entire term? Do you know that there were at least as many, but probably more arse-sucking republicans in congress for Reagan, like Mitt Romney and John McCain have been for Trump? You aren't being realistic about politics in this country.
Point me to where Reagan vetoed this and his veto was overridden and I will change my opinion.
When a president signs something he owns it.
I know he was lied to , you can never trust a Democrat and he should have known that.
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Sorry, as someone who argued with his teachers in elementary school about Ronald Reagan, born in 1970, first eligible to vote in 1988, who is a conservative that has voted conservative/republican in every federal, state, county, and municipal election since that time PRECISELY BECAUSE OF RONALD REAGAN, pissing on his memory is the real slap in the face to REALconservatives.
Just because he made you feel warm and fuzzy doesn't make him a REAL conservative.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:13 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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That's the high majority of Latino people, and God bless them. I want them in America.
I didn't know you were a Democrat.
Those frickers you are praising were border hoppers.
They should have waited in line.
If you had a clue , you would know poor people and the "disability" filth you are talking about vote Democrat,
Who is the idiot that told you they vote Republican ?
frick illegals , and send the welfare scum to El Salvador.
That's what a REAL Conservative wants.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:17 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Keep in mind, under our current system, the Dems (like the Republicans) get an automatic entry into the national elections. A new party would not.
quote:Trump was not a lifelong Republican, he was a Democrat not that long ago.
good points sir
The goal is to make the final 2, and get into the November election. When Trump ran in 2016, the Republican party was the path of least resistance.
Going forward, if you want to run, the Democrat party might be that option.
If you have the money to spend, can you beat the people they already have? I think so. I think Bloomberg is an arse, and he didn't really run a serious effort. And he still made an impact.
If Mark Cuban REALLY wanted to run in 2024, I don't think there's a single Dem politician that could bump him out of the nomination.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:44 am to Harry Rex Vonner
We're kind of in a four party system with the divide in the dems happening too. The AOCs and Bernies are dragging them left into intersectionalism and authoritarianism. There are going to be a lot of liberals (actual liberals not leftist ANTIFA goons) who are going to hold their noses and vote Trump because he's the most liberal candidate in this election and isn't speaking the racist woke garbage. Trump is doing a lot of things that liberals were for just a few years ago - getting out of the Middle East, canning TPP, embracing gay marriage and more. Tim Pool has been saying for a while now that the dems are tanking this one on purpose by running an old fart who's hiding and an unpopular corrupt prosecutor during an anti-cop mania. They're hoping Trump's second term blows up the establishment in the GOP and DNC and then they can save money for newer and more inspiring candidates in 2024.
I think in this decade we will see an exodus of never Trumper GOP establishment types to the dems and an influx of moderate liberals to the GOP who are afraid of the tyranny of intersectionalism. The dems will shift further left as establishment types like Biden retire and more AOC types present themselves. The GOP will have a Trump-like economic populist wing in addition to the moral conservative wing. Trump is holding these groups together right now but it remains to be seen what happens after he leaves office. You might see a unity type ticket with DeSantis (Trump populism) and Cruz (Christian conservative) in the next election.
I think in this decade we will see an exodus of never Trumper GOP establishment types to the dems and an influx of moderate liberals to the GOP who are afraid of the tyranny of intersectionalism. The dems will shift further left as establishment types like Biden retire and more AOC types present themselves. The GOP will have a Trump-like economic populist wing in addition to the moral conservative wing. Trump is holding these groups together right now but it remains to be seen what happens after he leaves office. You might see a unity type ticket with DeSantis (Trump populism) and Cruz (Christian conservative) in the next election.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:52 am to 93and99
I take back my praise of you earlier
I don't think rooting for people who work hard, believe in family and believe in God makes anyone a Democrat
I don't think rooting for people who work hard, believe in family and believe in God makes anyone a Democrat
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:54 am to Angry Bruce Pearl
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We're kind of in a four party system with the divide in the dems happening too
That is a great point
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:59 am to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:Politics is like sports. Right now, the Democrats need a starting QB. They can keep trying to build their own, but I wouldn't be shocked if a free agent jumps into the mix. Someone viable, but not able to get over the hump in the Republican field.
excellent points
so it's the Dems who will splinter into a third party and the John Kasichs and his mice can march their asses over there
that's a way of looking at it, yes
And let's be honest, if you can win the Dem field, you make it to the final vote.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:05 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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imagine it will be front and center by 2024, if not 2022
If Ted Cruz is the candidate then yes. If they resort back to swampy lifelong DC Republicans then we’re back to picking the lesser of 2 evils.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:06 pm to AggieHank86
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opportunistic, populist demagogue.
Demagogue - a political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument.
"a gifted demagogue with particular skill in manipulating the press"
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"For close to four years now, he has shown no interest in putting in the work, no interest in finding common ground, no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends."
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:13 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:And you can only win that in a two party system.
Trump 2016 was actually the Ross Perot 1992 victory that we never actually achieved
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:16 pm to 93and99
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Point me to where Reagan vetoed this and his veto was overridden and I will change my opinion.
When a president signs something he owns it.
Again, you aren't being realistic about US politics. Do you really think EIC was a clean, stand alone bill? I mean I don't know, but I'll bet you my next paycheck that EIC was a rider on a defense bill or something like that. See, when you veto a bill, you veto everything in the bill. It's one of the ways pork gets processed through congress. Reagan didn't have a line item veto, nor has any other president, at least in modern times.
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Just because he made you feel warm and fuzzy doesn't make him a REAL conservative.
It's not because he made me feel warm and fuzzy, Skippy. It was because he was one hell of a lot more conservative than Jimmy Carter ever was, on Reagan's worst, and Jimmy Carter's best day. And Walter Mondale wasn't in the same fricking universe in conservatism as Reagan.
You guys insist on making perfect the enemy of good, and it's just fricking stupid. How 93and99 would have handled business versus how Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale would have handled it, doesn't mean shite to anyone. 93and99 has never, had never, and will never have a chance to be president of the United States. All we can go on is the knowledge that Reagan was unequivocally more conservative than damn near anyone else in government at the time. We know that Reagan single-handedly saved and preserved the only fricking viable opposition to what is now a raving band of fricking lunatic socialists, bent on destroying this country.
So we know that Reagan is responsible for decades worth of thwarting at least part of the agenda of these fricking lunatics, and what's more, we know that 93and99, despite being the only REAL conservative on planet fricking earth, isn't responsible for thwarting one fricking thing that socialist democrats have done to this country, in his entire fricking lifetime.
So piss on Reagan's memory if you must, but people like me are going to call you out for the chickenshit that you are, every fricking time we see you do it. Deal?
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