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re: Well Well.... Looks like the Obama Admin scrubbed security clearances 2013

Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:15 pm to
Damn, this would have been hilarious.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:23 pm to
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However, there should be a way to speed up the approval process for people who have recently held access.


For SECRET there already is. It only requires a cursory reinvestigation. For TOP SECRET, it requires a full review every 5-years regardless of whether the individual is currently a clearance holder or not. It requires a long-arse form called the SF-86 which is a deep dive into your entire background and activities over the last 5 years.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5713 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:24 pm to
Not a reply to you junk. And I don’t have time to read 5-6 pages of this.

This can be summed up rather simply:

Being fired from FBI (or anyone else) = a dishonorable discharge.

You do not keep the benefits when you are fired.

As you were.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36317 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 5:24 pm to
How much does it cost the government to maintain clearances? I keep hearing about the cost to get them in the first place or reinstate them but O's admin claimed their purge was strictly for cost saving.
This post was edited on 8/20/18 at 5:26 pm
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:23 pm to
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Shhh...Donnie gets to punish enemies...it's okay now.
What is the punishment?
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:26 pm to
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Link to him doing that? I'd support the removal of his clearance if he did that. At least he's misusing classified info.
So the claim of 1st Amendment rights is horeshit.

Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:28 pm to
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Consult in time of crisis.
Example?
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:30 pm to
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I think you should keep your clearance until you do something to lose it.
So millions of retired military as well?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26314 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:32 pm to
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Did they do it for expressing an opinion regarding politics?


Even worse, they didn’t give any reason at all..most transparent admin ever
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55729 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:37 pm to
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Only if that opinion is adverse to the party in power or just a blanket rule of rescission following any public statements?




boosiedumbass........,
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 7:40 pm to
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For TOP SECRET, it requires a full review every 5-years regardless of whether the individual is currently a clearance holder or not. It requires a long-arse form called the SF-86 which is a deep dive into your entire background and activities over the last 5 years.
Which in my case meant I got a call from my sixth grade teacher asking me if I was in trouble.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:19 pm to
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Did they do it for expressing an opinion regarding politics?


Who did that?

Wait, are you suggesting that to be the reason for Brennan losing his clearance?



Posted by humanlement
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2014
536 posts
Posted on 8/20/18 at 8:20 pm to
They were interested in scrubbing the roles if worthless sacks of shite (like Brennan) that contrbuted nothing to the current administration, let alone prices of shite like Brennan whom has on numerous occasions claimed Trump had committed treason, an offense that carries a death sentence. You cock gobbling fuk.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 8/20/18 at 9:30 pm to
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Did they do it for expressing an opinion regarding politics?




Adjudications generally made by those trained to do so and considered expert based on about a dozen categories. Their decisions can be challenged for the typical stuff like being arbitrary or not following procedure. But it's a high hurdle because it inherently involves a ton of subjective judgment. Their power comes via executive order, from the president, and the president is ultimately responsible, has ultimate authority, and constitutionally, is not bound in the same way as inferior officers. I believe the primary procedural safeguard the president has to adhere to is notification of review and opportunity to respond to an adverse decision. I think the leading case is Egan from SCOTUS.

"The President, after all, is the "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." U. S. Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant...It should be obvious that no one has a "right" to a security clearance. The grant of a clearance requires an affirmative act of discretion on the part of the granting official. The general standard is that a clearance may be granted only when "clearly consistent with the interests of the national security."...A clearance does not equate with passing judgment upon an individual's character. Instead, it is only an attempt to predict his possible future behavior and to assess whether, under compulsion of circumstances or for other reasons, he might compromise sensitive information. It may be based, to be sure, upon past or present conduct, but it also may be based upon concerns completely unrelated to conduct, 529*529 such as having close relatives residing in a country hostile to the United States. "[T]o be denied [clearance] on unspecified grounds in no way implies disloyalty or any other repugnant characteristic."...Thus, unless Congress specifically has provided otherwise, courts traditionally have been reluctant to intrude upon the authority of the Executive in military and national security affairs..."
Department of Navy v. Egan, 484 US 518 - Supreme Court 1988

The justification of this power by Trump was endorsed by Obama in EO 13526, IIRC. In fact, Obama expanded the pool of those that could still have access to information without a 'need to know'. In that pool are those former 'policy writing officials' and I assume people like Brennan fit into that category. If so, then he and the others certainly demand heavy scrutiny moving forward.
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
3425 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 1:20 am to
Show me a list of high level officials with TS security clearances who accused Obama of committing treason.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 1:21 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167280 posts
Posted on 8/21/18 at 5:17 am to
Ben Rhodes failed his clearance and Obama pushed him through. Imagine Trump doing this with a deputy nat sec advisor or head spook of the CIA.
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