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Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:48 am to theronswanson
Never mind the hundreds of billions we give to fricking illegals and trannies and alphabet people.
You shitlib retards are going to melt until your dying breath aren't you.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:49 am to theronswanson
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no one is bailing out the average worker whose 401ks have plummeted, why would we bail out these farmers.
Just wear a hat that says "I'm a fricking retard who carries his son's severed cock around in his pocket"
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:53 am to theronswanson
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If no one is bailing out the average worker whose 401ks have plummeted, why would we bail out these farmers.
Excellent point. When push comes to shove, we can all subsist off the 1s and 0s in our 401ks.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:58 am to theronswanson
Don't subsidize them. Buy their rice and distribute it to needy families in America.
Give every SNAP recipient 20 lbs of rice and deduct the cogs from their benefits.
Give every SNAP recipient 20 lbs of rice and deduct the cogs from their benefits.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:58 am to Tiger on the Rag
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Farmers borrow money from certain banks and the government guarantees 90% of loans to the banks where they have no risk. Some loans are never paid but yet the farmer can go back and do the same year after year. We need farmers but they cost tax payers millions every year.
LOL 90/10 loans are for new farmers and govt only guarantees it for 5 years. And they have a cap on how much you can get, which isn’t very much. It won’t fund a 1,000 acre plus operation.
The running joke on 90/10s is they loan you just enough so you can go broke. They aren’t utilized by very farmers.
I use a 2.5 million revolving line of credit at the bank. 50% secured by fish inventory and 25% hard collateral
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:02 pm to theronswanson
So I grew up grain farming and still
Have arms length financial ties to a grain and cattle farming operation and here's what I can spit out regarding this
Firstly, I don't know the answers I really don't. Farmers have been in a tough spot probably since around 2018ish. "Small" farmers have been in a tough spot for much longer than that. Input prices have gone insane. Equipment prices have gone beyond insane. Market prices have not.
Normally I'm against bailouts and subsidies but as we all know our food supply isn't the same thing as most other markets. We have to some degree protect it to ensure we sustain it.
I've said for years now I wish there was a way to yes protect farmers but make sure those subsidies or bailouts only go to farms that truly need them. Every time we do something like this yes it helps small farmers who are struggling but countless hugely successful farms that are at no risk of folding up cash in millions of dollars of government money that they didn't need in the first place. Everyone in the farming industry is well aware of "large" farmers that figure out ways to get 4 or 5 checks when if done legitimately they should only get 1. The larger the farm the easier this type of fraud is able to be pulled off
The problem is there's really not an effective and damn sure not an efficient way for the government of all entities to figure out which farms need help and which farms don't so we get stuck with a wide net approach
And if you want to say no we absolutely shouldn't be in the business of propping
Up agriculture at all I'm actually sympathetic to that viewpoint BUT remember it next time you lament the massive lack of "small" farms that only continues to get worse and worse or complain about corporate entities/China/Bill Gates owning huge amounts of farm land
As I said, I don't know the answer sure wish I did
Have arms length financial ties to a grain and cattle farming operation and here's what I can spit out regarding this
Firstly, I don't know the answers I really don't. Farmers have been in a tough spot probably since around 2018ish. "Small" farmers have been in a tough spot for much longer than that. Input prices have gone insane. Equipment prices have gone beyond insane. Market prices have not.
Normally I'm against bailouts and subsidies but as we all know our food supply isn't the same thing as most other markets. We have to some degree protect it to ensure we sustain it.
I've said for years now I wish there was a way to yes protect farmers but make sure those subsidies or bailouts only go to farms that truly need them. Every time we do something like this yes it helps small farmers who are struggling but countless hugely successful farms that are at no risk of folding up cash in millions of dollars of government money that they didn't need in the first place. Everyone in the farming industry is well aware of "large" farmers that figure out ways to get 4 or 5 checks when if done legitimately they should only get 1. The larger the farm the easier this type of fraud is able to be pulled off
The problem is there's really not an effective and damn sure not an efficient way for the government of all entities to figure out which farms need help and which farms don't so we get stuck with a wide net approach
And if you want to say no we absolutely shouldn't be in the business of propping
Up agriculture at all I'm actually sympathetic to that viewpoint BUT remember it next time you lament the massive lack of "small" farms that only continues to get worse and worse or complain about corporate entities/China/Bill Gates owning huge amounts of farm land
As I said, I don't know the answer sure wish I did
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:05 pm to Rebel
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But not the huge corporate farms owned by the likes of Bill Gates and China.
Chinese government and Chinese investors own less than I thought.
USDA-
1. Canada 12.8 million acres
2. Netherlands 4.9 million acres
3. Italy 2.7 million
4. UK 2.5 million
5. Germany 2.2 million
6. Portugal 1.48 million
7. France 1.3
8. Denmark 856,000
9. Luxembourg 802,000
10. Ireland 760,00
11. Sweden 688,000
12. Japan 636,000
18. China 384,000
Ted Turner 2,000,000
Stan Kroenke 1,752,000
King Ranch 911,000
Bezos 462,000
Gates 275,000
Hearst Family(ESPN) 238,000
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NPR shows more than 80% of Chinese-owned land is held by Smithfield Foods, and a billionaire named Sun Guangxin, through Brazos Highland Properties LP and Harvest Texas LLC. Sun used the companies to buy more than 100,000 acres in Texas for a wind farm. But the project was ultimately halted by a state law designed to prevent foreigners from accessing the Texas grid.
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Florida recently enacted a law that limits some foreign buyers – China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria and Venezuela – from owning property in the state.
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While around half of states ban or limit foreign ownership of farmland, at least six of the states that passed laws recently – Arkansas, Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Tennessee and Utah – expand that to all property.
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Over another third of Chinese-owned land in the U.S., including most of what is marked North Carolina and Missouri, belongs to Smithfield Foods.
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Lawmakers mandated USDA create an electronic filing system to streamline the process and create a database. But Congress' failure to approve funding to create an updated system to allow electronic filings means it may be a while before USDA can update its reporting process.
LINK
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:07 pm to theronswanson
With the money we live spent on housing and propping up illegal immigration through NGO’s, only to now have to exhaust taxpayer dollars to remove these invading criminal subhumans, we could line the pockets of every American farmer and much, much more, to ensure a continuous food supply with even higher standards than we have currently.
I bet you were a fan of the Green New Deal and Solyndra. Probably have your high speed rail tickets already purchased for when it opens any day now.
I bet you were a fan of the Green New Deal and Solyndra. Probably have your high speed rail tickets already purchased for when it opens any day now.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:48 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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Equipment prices have gone beyond insane.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:52 pm to Rebel
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I’m ok subsidizing small family farms.
But not the huge corporate farms owned by the likes of Bill Gates and China.
Wonder if China's tariffs will apply to food grown in the US at Chinese owned farms. They would only be hurting themselves as their population starves.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:55 pm to SugarCane318
Truth
Every bit of it
Every bit of it
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:58 pm to theronswanson
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the government is bailing them out and our tax dollars are keeping them afloat, then their food products need to be substantially cheaper or essentially free.
It is essentially free. A box of cornflakes has $.07 of corn in it. Think about that.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:01 pm to Tiger on the Rag
That’s not how it works
Nice try
You're one of those that has just enough knowledge to make yourself look stupid
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:07 pm to SugarCane318
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The American farmer has to play in the world market with one hand tied behind his back.
Our farmers have to contend with EPA regulations and restrictions that no one else in the world has to bother with. No one in Brazil cares what is on a pesticide label, they can spray whatever is cheapest, while the American farmer has to spray whatever is labeled for use, often times having to go with exorbitantly more expensive options.
In Louisiana, H2A visa workers make $14.83/hr. That is not counting Workmans comp or the cost of housing them or providing them with transportation ,which is required, so actual costs are probably closer to $17-$18/hr. Our competitive markets(Brazil, Mexico, etc) pay their labor $15/day.
When the American farmer buys new equipment, it has to be equipped with Tier 4 emissions systems, which not only drastically increase the cost of the equipment, but anyone who owns this crap can attest it’s also one of the largest contributors to repair costs. Those sensors fail all the time and will shut the whole tractor down. John Deere/Case etc manufacturer tractors without these systems just to sell in other countries.
The American farmer must pay technology fees on their seed, or risk losing their farm to Big Ag corps when they get sued for everything they own. A farmer cannot hold grain to replant the next year, not in the US. But they can and do all over South and Central America, India, basically everywhere else.
Soybeans right now are about $9.50/bushel. You gotta make 42 bushels per acre to break even on input costs, and that isn’t even counting equipment. The annual average for the entire country is around 47 bushels/acre. Those margins are razor thin, and let’s not forget that 47 averagemeans half the acreage in production makes less.
I’m all for free market, but it isn’t free market when bureaucracy requires the American farmer to jump through every hoop imaginable while the rest of the world just laughs at all our regulatory systems.
frick you and your facts, 'Muh 'Merca, go Orange, that's all that counts. Anything else means you are a cuck retard.
In all seriousness, though, while that may be the case for American farmers vs international competition, the reverse is true for European countries and manufacturing.
They are the ones who burden their producers far more than we, which is why they yell when we tariff but don't think anything of doing it themselves.
Not saying they are right; what should happen is that they should drop the regulations AND the tariffs.
But, like you (and I don't mean that in any snarky or bad way), that is why they feel entitled to the tariffs and you feel entitled to the bailouts. If the government is going to hold the producers down in one way, they better hold them up in some other way.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:34 pm to SallysHuman
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Bill gates farming or Chinese
same difference
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:46 pm to ksayetiger
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winner winner chicken dinner dumbest post of the day award!!!!
Do I win a free Box Combo at Canes or do I go to Sonic for a Knuckle check?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:47 pm to deltaland
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This is a problem that needs to be addressed. Seed, chemical, and Equipment manufacturers are damn near predatory on farmers. Deere and Case are awful and make it where you cannot work on your own equipment anymore, and they rape you on the service department end. 10x worse than car dealerships. I’ve seen farmers fork over 10k for a service call to replace a main fuse on a Case because they located the fuse under the cab where it required removing the entire cab to replace a fuse. Without the fuse, the tractor wouldn’t run
^^^^^^
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:49 pm to deuceiswild
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It's time to allow that entire industry to die out.
Wat? You realize it feeds us right? lol
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:52 pm to TBoy
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I can't for the life of me understand why any farmer would have voted for Trump. But they did, and this is what they voted for.
Well the step up cost basis accounting principles the Dems want to institute would destroy family farms by themselves but yea I can't imagine why farmers didn't vote for the Dem candidate
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