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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:43 pm to the808bass
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:43 pm to the808bass
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That has nothing to do with empathy
I addressed your incorrect analysis with the other set of words. Not the ones you quoted
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:43 pm to FooManChoo
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The political left in this country doesn't understand what justice is, even through they append that word to every cause they support.
They are more focused on the rehabilitation of the criminal rather than supporting the victim.
We need more death penalty executions for violent crimes like rape and murder, and we need standards that prevent repeat criminals from being let loose to make more victims.
I'm genuinely surprised by that post coming from you.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
My conclusion was almost certainly correct. The only quibbling would be around root causes.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:45 pm to MemphisGuy
well they certainly cannot steal from or injure/rape/kill innocents while they are incarcerated either.
I wonder what % of our retail goods costs are directly to cover theft losses since shoplifters are no longer dealt with?
I wonder what % of our retail goods costs are directly to cover theft losses since shoplifters are no longer dealt with?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:48 pm to the808bass
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My conclusion was almost certainly correct
That I lack empathy? Laughably wrong.
You can ask any of the LLOTOT that I befriended
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:49 pm to High C
The United Stated justice system is beyond broken. We should be incarcerating for life at least 5x the people we are now and should have nationwide minimum sentences. Bring back three strikes (but make it two).
Theft? At least 5 years. No more stealing 20 times and getting 6 months unsupervised probation. Get fricked.
Any violent crime? Death. If you can’t control yourself, you don’t deserve to live among us.
Incompetent to stand trial? Death. Your fricked up head isn’t society’s problem. You obviously can’t behave and live in a civilized society, so you’re gone too.
The revolving door and suicidal empathy is destroying this nation.
Theft? At least 5 years. No more stealing 20 times and getting 6 months unsupervised probation. Get fricked.
Any violent crime? Death. If you can’t control yourself, you don’t deserve to live among us.
Incompetent to stand trial? Death. Your fricked up head isn’t society’s problem. You obviously can’t behave and live in a civilized society, so you’re gone too.
The revolving door and suicidal empathy is destroying this nation.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:49 pm to FooManChoo
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They are more focused on the rehabilitation of the criminal
What would Jesus do?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:49 pm to TigersSEC2010
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The United Stated justice system is beyond broken. We should be incarcerating for live at least 5x the people we are now and should have nationwide minimum sentences.
Theft? At least 5 years. No more stealing 20 times and getting 6 months unsupervised probation. Get fricked.
Any violent crime? Death. If you can’t control yourself, you don’t deserve to live among us.
Incompetent to stand trial? Death. Your fricked up head isn’t society’s problem. You obviously can’t behave and live in a civilized society, so you’re gone too.
Great example of emotions cratering any logical analysis
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:49 pm to choupiquesushi
Estimates are around $115B for 2023 in the US.
Or about $325/person.
Or about $325/person.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Great example of emotions cratering any logical analysis
It is ridiculously easy to not commit crimes. Most of the population does it every day of their life for decades. Why shouldn’t we punish all criminal acts with severe consequences?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:59 pm to TigersSEC2010
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This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:01 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Why shouldn’t we punish all criminal acts with severe consequences?
I'll give you 2 completely practical reasons. No theory or discussion of rights.
1. Assuming we could create a uniform system like you propose, it would be abhorrently expensive to prosecute and jail these offenders in the manner you propose.
2. It would clog the dockets so much that more serious crimes would be delayed in prosecution and risk having the case dismissed for failure to prosecute. Or those more serious crimes would get even more lenient plea deals.
Our system, as it stands today, is clogged to a level that likely violates the Constitution. In most states, the right to legal counsel is effectively violated already by over-burdening public defender systems (who represent an insanely high % of total defendants in each system).
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:01 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Every level of the justice system except the enforcement arm is broken.
Enforcement as in cops? That's the most broken. By far.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:04 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:I'm curious why that's surprising. If I need to clarify, I'd be happy to do so.
I'm genuinely surprised by that post coming from you.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It would also cost an absolutely unfathomable amount of public money to accomplish.
None of what you said even has to take place at all.
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It would also cost an absolutely unfathomable amount of public money to accomplish.
Prisoners have too many luxuries anyway. Repeat violent offenders should literally get no more than 3 meals and a sleeping bag. Recidivism? Nah, it's too late to worry about that.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:We know what Jesus did do: He upheld the law. Jesus didn't even condemn Pontius Pilate's authority to put Him to death.quote:What would Jesus do?
They are more focused on the rehabilitation of the criminal
The Gospel is all about justice: God's wrath against sin (breaking the law) had to be satisfied by Jesus taking the penalty that we deserve. God is just, and can't just arbitrarily forgive sin with no consequence. That's why Jesus died even though He was innocent and didn't break the law even once.
When Jesus returns, He will judge the living and the dead, and those who have not had their sins paid for by Jesus' death will need to pay what they owe for eternity in Hell.
ETA: I should alter my statement that the Gospel is all about justice. Justice is at the root of the Gospel, because for us to receive mercy (rather than what we deserve), the Father needed to satisfy justice: He poured out His wrath on His Son instead of on us.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:31 pm to TigersSEC2010
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It is ridiculously easy to not commit crimes. Most of the population does it every day of their life for decades.
That's not true.
There are so many laws on the books at this point that the average citizen DOES commit crimes.
For example, it's a federal crime to possess hawk or owl feathers, even if you just found them on the ground.
A guy named John Yates was prosecuted in a federal fraud case that went all the way to SCOTUS for replacing grouper he had caught with larger fish—the game warden had told him to keep them for inspection.
A guy named Wayne Gibbs was prosecuted and sent to prison for importing lobsters in plastic bags instead of in boxes under the Lacy Act. Which isn't even illegal in the US, but it was in Honduras where he imported them from.
A guy named Jeffery Morris had to defend himself against federal charges for importing orchids just because the paperwork had some inaccuracies on it.
The mail and wire fraud laws are so broad that they can easily turn everyday business activities into federal crimes. Or laws like the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, that can get you charged with destroying evidence because you deleted emails with no knowledge that a future investigation would occur that needed them for evidence.
The environmental laws in particular are such that you probably commit a few felonies every time you spend any significant amount of time in your backyard.
Recommended reading: "Three Felonies A Day."
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:32 pm to FooManChoo
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The Gospel is all about justice
No it isn't.
It's all about mercy.
The "Good News" is that we don't get what justice demands.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:34 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm curious why that's surprising.
The tone, I guess.
The notion that we would be better off if more people were executed.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 3:40 pm to FooManChoo
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God's wrath against sin (breaking the law) had to be satisfied by Jesus taking the penalty that we deserve.
No, it didn't have to.
God could have simply allowed us to reap the consequences of sin and justice would have been preserved just fine.
The "Good News" is that He provided a way for us to reconcile with Him.
He didn't have to do that.
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