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re: We see the results of our revolving door of “justice” every day. Meanwhile…
Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:42 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:42 am to FooManChoo
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The Gospel is all about justice:
The Gospel is about mercy and love. The crucifixion of Jesus is not a story of justice served.
Our penal system is not about justice either. It’s about punishment and power.
ETA today is Divine Mercy Sunday, coincidentally.
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 11:47 am
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:46 am to djsdawg
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Yes if we become a totalitarian regime that ignores our basic rights, we can make our low crime rate even lower. We should shite on what it means to be American completely, however. It would also cost an absolutely unfathomable amount of public money to accomplish.
Murdering and raping people is an American right!
-slow
Any discussion suggesting that all Americans have rights devolves into these hysterics.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:48 am to djsdawg
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Too often is the answer to this retard question.
Can you reference one example of that actually happening? Seems like an emotional accusation not based in reality. Kind of like you calling me a retard for pointing that out.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 11:52 am to Plx1776
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Getting rid of gangs would drastically reduce violence across the country.
How could this be accomplished or even attempted?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:How about you fricking tell us.
Go read up on what they did
Why the frick can you not do that? You feel strongly about it, plenty of us do value what you have to say, and since we’re is discussion with you it would be nice for you to be a filter of sorts and tell us what you mean when you say their rights have been stripped.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 12:07 pm to 4cubbies
quote:What?
How could this be accomplished or even attempted?
Very easily.
Does it not bother you that your side can’t fix the issues that your people plead for y’all to fix?
Honestly how long do y’all have to be complete failures at improving these peoples’ lives before you say my god, we have to try something different.
How do you not vomit in your mouth when you see a Democrat mention fixing homelessness or hunger or crime? ESPECIALLY when there’s a massive dollar amount attached to it.
Serous question cubbies. In 40 years do you expect the left will have made a positive impact on these communities?
How can y’all say you care at all and then look around at what the left has done to these people? They are literally slaves to the party hoping for help and y’all just farm them for votes and leave them to rot.
The rest of us see it and are just tired of y’all swooping in to defend those people when we try to keep them from killing or robbing us. We know y’all, as a whole, need to hold them down.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 12:59 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Very easily.
So why hasn’t it been accomplished?
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Does it not bother you that your side
The only side I’ve ever claimed was conservative when I was in high school and college.
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How do you not vomit in your mouth when you see a Democrat mention fixing homelessness or hunger or crime? ESPECIALLY when there’s a massive dollar amount attached to it.
Easy. I don’t listen to politicians speak. And I already know they are all full of shite.
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Serous question cubbies. In 40 years do you expect the left will have made a positive impact on these communities?
I don’t expect much will change at all to address social issues on a national scale in my lifetime.
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How can y’all say you care at all and then look around at what the left has done to these people? They are literally slaves to the party hoping for help and y’all just farm them for votes and leave them to rot.
Why would I expect people who I already know don’t give a shite about anyone other than themselves and their donors to do anything for homeless people?
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The rest of us see it and are just tired of y’all swooping in to defend those people
Who are you tired of seeing me defend? I would like a name.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 1:46 pm to 4cubbies
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Who are you tired of seeing me defend? I would like a name.
Democrat enablers. Those who create entitlement and lack of accountability (for violent crime in this case). You will deny that, but it’s blatantly obvious to anyone who reads what you post.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 2:03 pm to High C
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You have twisted the original purpose of the thread into your own
I'm pointing out the "original purpose" of the thread was based on a nonsensical, anti-American argument.
You just don't like that it was exposed.
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An innocent person accused of a crime is subject to the same burden of proof as a guilty person.
There are more rights guaranteed to defendants than the BOP, friend.
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The point is that those proven guilty under the law are not being punished sufficiently.
Most of y'all seem to be bitching about pretrial release, which occurs prior to this step.
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This has nothing to do, and never did, with the rights of those accused of a crime.
Sentencing is part of a right, friend.
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Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted
Posted on 4/12/26 at 2:05 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Very easily.
Getting rid of gangs? No. Insanely difficult to impossible.
They've been eroding our rights for going on 50 years to try to solve that problem and haven't made a dent.
And you can walk around in your daily life and feel the brunt of these failed policies. For fun, go deposit more than $10k in cash and see how that goes.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 2:09 pm to High C
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Democrat enablers. Those who create entitlement and lack of accountability (for violent crime in this case). You will deny that, but it’s blatantly obvious to anyone who reads what you post.
Who specifically have I defended?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They've been eroding our rights for going on 50 years to try to solve that problem and haven't made a dent.
And you can walk around in your daily life and feel the brunt of these failed policies. For fun, go deposit more than $10k in cash and see how that goes.
This is the point.
We could be like El Salvador, and it would work.
Of course, there's basically no due process over there now. Human rights groups know that some innocent people are being imprisoned, but no one in or outside of El Salvador has any recourse.
They don't get a lawyer (not really), they don't get a trial (not a real one...they get "collective prosecution" with as many as 900 defendants tried at once, in secret, they are assumed guilty and have to prove innocence and the court accepts anonymous testimony).
There are a significant number of innocent people caught in these "collective prosecutions," we know that for a fact, and those people just...disappear.
Never to be seen or heard from again. Not in the outside world, anyway.
So yeah, we could do that. We could dook on the Constitution and the foundational premise of the US and become a shite-pot banana republic dictatorship any old time MAGA wants.
That's what El Salvador is doing...they fought their way out of being a banana republic—14 coups between 1890 and 1972—by the end of the last century and here they are returning right back to it. A dog to its vomit.
It's amazing to me that people cannot see that doing something like that— while it might stop other citizens from violating their rights—pretty much guarantees that the government is going to make up for that lack of violation of rights and then some.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 2:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm pointing out the "original purpose" of the thread was based on a nonsensical, anti-American argument.
You just don't like that it was exposed.
No, just because data from a different country was used doesn’t make it a nonsensical, anti-American argument. You didn’t “expose” anything.
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There are more rights guaranteed to defendants than the BOP, friend.
Please point out any suggestion on my part that burden of proof is the only right defendants have, friend.
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Most of y'all seem to be bitching about pretrial release, which occurs prior to this step.
Irrelevant to what I said.
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Sentencing is part of a right, friend.
Is overly lenient sentencing over and over part of our right (sic), friend?
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Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted
Completely subjective and has been used consistently in enabling the leniency that I mentioned.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:01 pm to ReauxlTide222
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How about you fricking tell us. Why the frick can you not do that? You feel strongly about it, plenty of us do value what you have to say, and since we’re is discussion with you it would be nice for you to be a filter of sorts and tell us what you mean when you say their rights have been stripped.
It’s part of his shtick.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:02 pm to 4cubbies
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Can you reference one example of that actually happening? Seems like an emotional accusation not based in reality. Kind of like you calling me a retard for pointing that out.
Example of what happening?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:05 pm to djsdawg
You don’t even know the question you called retarded? That actually tracks.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What a retarded comment
No shock you can’t “read the room”
Ever wonder why your comments get downvoted continuously?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Now, if you could create this magical system that determines who is a real criminal from the outset, it would solve everything. That system would be powered by ground unicorn horns and terds of a chupacabra.
Multiple Prior convictions tells us who the real problems are.
The current system puts them back on the streets, which violates the rights of whoever his next victims are. This is the system you defend.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:38 pm to 4cubbies
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Any discussion suggesting that all Americans have rights devolves into these hysterics.
Seeing the same slow nonsense leads to these responses, but there is nothing hysterical about it. You were wrong about that accusation.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 3:39 pm to wackatimesthree
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They don't get a lawyer (not really), they don't get a trial (not a real one...they get "collective prosecution" with as many as 900 defendants tried at once, in secret, they are assumed guilty and have to prove innocence and the court accepts anonymous testimony).
There are a significant number of innocent people caught in these "collective prosecutions," we know that for a fact, and those people just...disappear.
Never to be seen or heard from again. Not in the outside world, anyway.
So yeah, we could do that. We could dook on the Constitution and the foundational premise of the US and become a shite-pot banana republic dictatorship any old time MAGA wants.
That's what El Salvador is doing...they fought their way out of being a banana republic—14 coups between 1890 and 1972—by the end of the last century and here they are returning right back to it. A dog to its vomit.
It's amazing to me that people cannot see that doing something like that— while it might stop other citizens from violating their rights—pretty much guarantees that the government is going to make up for that lack of violation of rights and then some.
It is insane and incredibly anti-American.
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