re: We funded Ho Chi Minh before Vietnam, we funded bin Laden before 9/11

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Actually , Ho Chi Minh helped a downed American pilot shot down behind Japanese lines in French Indochina . 200 miles to safety later , Ho Chi Minh was asked what we could do to thank him . He responded with an autographed picture of General Claire Chennault who led the flying tigers , a pistol , and his nations freedom when WW2 was over . He was able to take these items back to his people and say “I am friends with the Americans and they promise our freedom “. When it was over Ho Chi Minh read the u s Declaration of Independence to his people . Then … France decided it wanted its colonies back , and the US had a choice to make. Live up to our word to this tiny man or give the country back to a big ally . We chose the ally and created an enemy in Ho Chi Minh .
I saw an American officer talking about the smugness of the French when they got off the plane in Vietnam as they were given back control of the country . He said” inside I wanted to kick their arse all the way back to Paris “

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yes, here's someone who gets it.

You are starting down the right path. Now hopefully you continue and realize we fund practically everything evil in the world, especially stuff that leads to military action.

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wow. Seems like we created the “communist” threat in Vietnam. Thanks for sharing. Doesn’t surprise me our foreign policy has been fricked since ‘45.

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with your keen level of understanding and sharp analysis of foreign relations, i'm surprised you're posting here on a Wednesday morning and not serving in the State Department somewhere.

With the amount of power consolidated in the US after WW2, it was inevitable that power would be abused on a global scale.

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OBL was funded by his own saudis. not us. we sent money through pakistani ISI and they funded afghan mujahideen to fight russians. AQ was not even created until last year of soviet-afghan war. AQ operatives even admitted they received zero funding from the USA. i have posted the link many times here.

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shhh, they're on a roll.

you are, of course, correct. that said, Pakistan and the ISI arent exactly staunch allies of the West, but whatever. Directorate S by Steve Coll is a great book on the topic.

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Pakistan and the ISI arent exactly staunch allies of the West, but whatever.

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yeah that’s putting it mildly. Also, your friend said they didn’t get funding from America just the saudis. Well what’s the name of Americas biggest Islamic ally in the Middle East? Oh that’s right! Saudi frickin Arabia!!

While the U.S. initially engaged with Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh against the Japanese during WWII, they ultimately did not support or fund him, instead prioritizing anti-communist forces in South Vietnam and later fighting against Ho Chi Minh's North Vietnam during the war.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

Initial Engagement:
During World War II, the U.S. did cooperate with the Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, against the Japanese occupiers in French Indochina.

Post-War Shift:
However, after the war, the U.S. grew concerned about the spread of communism and shifted its focus to supporting anti-communist forces in South Vietnam, rather than the communist regime in North Vietnam led by Ho Chi Minh.
French Indochina:
The U.S. did not support Ho Chi Minh's goal of a unified, independent Vietnam, instead preferring a solution that would maintain French control and ultimately supported the French in their attempt to reclaim their colony.
US involvement:
The USA gave military aid to the French because it did not approve of Ho Chi Min's communist beliefs.

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While the U.S. initially engaged with Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh against the Japanese during WWII, they ultimately did not support or fund him, instead prioritizing anti-communist forces in South Vietnam and later fighting against Ho Chi Minh's North Vietnam during the war.

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yeah no shite. You didn’t bring anything new to the table, you just posted government PC jargon that says what I’ve already said. We made him a promise and then went back on our word, in favor of the French. It was a cute cop out to blame communism. If we had stayed loyal to Ho Chi Minh and not given it back to France he never turns to the Soviets. And although china aided them during the war, they were historically enemies and they had their own war not long after America left. You aren’t smart for posting government propaganda you’re just a stooge.

We’ve been funding perpetual skirmishes and wars since the end of WW2. Made to not win but to never end. President Eisenhower warned about this in 1961.




I’ve talked to several USAF pilots that flew in the Vietnam war. They weren’t allowed to bomb real targets, but were ordered most of the time, to bomb empty fields and forests.