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Watched Lone Survivor again last night

Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:55 pm
Posted by StrongOffer
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:55 pm
Such a great movie but pisses me off to no end knowing years later Joe Biden and his admin let the Taliban gain control back of Afghanistan. Biden should have been impeached for that and the only person who was fired was someone who criticized the decisions of the admin. Such a shameful bunch that Biden admin was. Sorry, rant over. "Never out of the fight" - Mike Murphy
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:56 pm to
I thought it was the way they pulled out that was the problem. Now we wanted to just stay there?

Hard to keep up.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:59 pm to
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"Never end the fight" - Mike Murphy


It’s “Never out of the fight.”

And what would you prefer? To still be there so more young men can die for a country that doesn’t matter?
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:00 pm to
I would love to know the real truth of what went down up there.

There are a lot of people in the spec ops community with a visceral hatred for Marcus Lutrell and consider him a coward. Dudes that have a lot of standing refer to him as the lone runner.

I’m sure the truth died on that mountain that day and we will never know what really went down.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:00 pm to
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but pisses me off to no end knowing years later Joe Biden and his admin let the Taliban gain control back of Afghanistan.

Wasn't this deal struck under Trump to celebration by MAGA (and me)?

Biden fricked up leaving, no doubt, but leaving Afghanistan was one of Trump's better policies in admin 1.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:01 pm to
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There are a lot of people in the spec ops community with a visceral hatred for Marcus Lutrell and consider him a coward. Dudes that have a lot of standing refer to him as the lone runner.

I've actually been consuming a lot of "spec ops" content lately, and what I've discovered is they're all liars and create drama. I have no idea which side of this story is correct, but it's far from the only one. Tim Kennedy being a fake was the hot topic for a while but now it's the Benghazi story taking the headlines.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Wasn't this deal struck under Trump to celebration by MAGA (and me)?

Yes

We executed the exit in spectacularly poor fashion but we needed to leave and Trump did strike a deal with the Taliban. Biden was carrying out Trump policy. The execution was just awful.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:06 pm to
Always wondered why they just didn’t detain the goat herders until they were done and the chopper was in the air to come get them. Then turn them loose.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:09 pm to
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I would love to know the real truth of what went down up there.

There are a lot of people in the spec ops community with a visceral hatred for Marcus Lutrell and consider him a coward. Dudes that have a lot of standing refer to him as the lone runner.

I’m sure the truth died on that mountain that day and we will never know what really went down.

so much of his story jsut doesnt pass the smell test for anyone who knows much about the military, and certainly the spec ops community knows even more.

also they hate him because he was sort of the first SEAL to really change the culture from "silent warriors" to "warriors who wont shut the frick up"
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:10 pm to
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I've actually been consuming a lot of "spec ops" content lately, and what I've discovered is they're all liars and create drama.


I don’t pay much attention to the social media stuff. I spend time with guys who are active and former green berets and delta guys plus a few night stalkers mixed in.


It’s a bit of a mixed bag, but by and large most agree SEALs are full of shite. I know some of its army vs navy but there’s also the quiet professionals vs book writers.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:10 pm to
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I would love to know the real truth of what went down up there.


Biden and his gaggle of fools did every thing wrong and at the worst time. As Trump's man on the ground said, "You never make a big move on anything during Taliban fighting season. You do that when the Taliban are in Pakistan licking their wounds in the winter."

Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:10 pm to
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I've actually been consuming a lot of "spec ops" content lately, and what I've discovered is they're all liars and create drama. I have no idea which side of this story is correct, but it's far from the only one. Tim Kennedy being a fake was the hot topic for a while but now it's the Benghazi story taking the headlines.

all of them?
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:11 pm to
I first read the book and what always confused me about the story was them being discovered by the goat herder and his son. They held them at gunpoint while they discussed and decided what to do with them.

If I remember correctly, one or two of them wanted to kill them so they could safely escape or continue their mission to eliminate a Taliban leader. The CO decided against killing them and just turned them loose, hoping they could escape the area before the goat herders alerted the Taliban.

The whole time I’m reading the book, I’m thinking, “Just tie them up securely and make your escape. By the time they’re discovered by their people, you’ll be long gone.”

But no, they just released them and they paid with their lives for that decision.

Of the 3 options they had, kill them, tie them up, or release them, they chose the worst option.

This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted by The Egg
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:12 pm to
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Such a great movie but pisses me off to no end knowing years later Joe Biden and his admin let the Taliban gain control back of Afghanistan.
sorry but disagree 100000% here, we wanted out of there and rightfully so. i honestly don't care who's in charge now bc that place will always be what it is.

the previous admin obviously mishandled and completely botched the withdrawal, but make no mistake, it's a good thing for us not to be there
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:13 pm to
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I don’t pay much attention to the social media stuff.

Let me be clear: this is my only frame of reference and the totality of which I am commenting.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:13 pm to
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We executed the exit in spectacularly poor fashion but we needed to leave and Trump did strike a deal with the Taliban. Biden was carrying out Trump policy. The execution was just awful.


Trump's policy was working as intended. Biden bugged out in the middle of the night during Taliban fighting season. The Afghan base commander at Bagram didn't find out until he showed up for work and found American's gone. How dumb is that!
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:15 pm to
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leaving Afghanistan was one of Trump's better policies in admin 1.
Getting out of Afghanistan and returning it to the Taliban are 2 very different things.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
6921 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:18 pm to
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Getting out of Afghanistan and returning it to the Taliban are 2 very different things.

not really, if we're being honest. Biden, Austin, and McKenzie fricked the exit to the degree that Austin and McKenzie should have been fired. the amount of gear and weapons we left them is unforgiveable. but regardless, unless we stayed there permanently, it was going to end up back in Taliban hands eventually almost certainly.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:18 pm to
The withdrawal was a clusterfrick of epic proportions. That is not debatable.

We were pulling out of Afghanistan regardless. The Afghan forces that we sank billions of dollars in training and equipment into were going to collapse regardless. As soon as we stopped holding their hand there was never a doubt in how it would go.

We should have maintained control of Bagram throughout the withdrawal and destroyed anything we couldn't take with us.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:18 pm to
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Getting out of Afghanistan and returning it to the Taliban are 2 very different things.
so who are we saying did what
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