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Washington's Farewell Address

Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:00 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:00 am
Today is Washington's birthday of course.

Just a part of his farewell address (largely ghost written by Hamilton) seems so appropriate today.


"Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. Religion and morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it - It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a people always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence. Who can doubt that, in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages which might be lost by a steady adherence to it ? Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity of a nation with its virtue ? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature. Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation."

LINK


Our "passionate" attachment to the Jewish State needs to be ended at once.
Posted by LSU MAGA
ZACHARY
Member since Feb 2017
30 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:13 am to
I assume you realize that Washington was devout man of GOD !!

If Israel existed he would have surely protected the idea of its existence

but hell what do I know
Posted by ds4ua1020
Member since Oct 2012
266 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:17 am to
He was mainly referring to England and France, who were at war with each other at the time.
Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
2838 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:28 am to
quote:

He was mainly referring to England and France, who were at war with each other at the time.

He was talking about England and France as it was a big disagreement between Jefferson and Adams and the future political parties of Dem-Rep and Federalists. One side favored the French the other favored the British.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:40 am to
Washington's Farewell Address was widely cited in the US prior to WWII as a reason to leave the Europeans to their own disputes.

We need to do what GW said as much as we can. Avoid fighting other people's fights.

This by J.Q. Adams also should still guide us:

"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example...America’s glory is not dominion, but liberty."

7/4/13

Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6608 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:47 am to
What's interesting is the first draft - prepared when Washington was leaning towards not standing for reelection - was co-authored (or perhaps more accurately, ghost written) by Madison.

Fast forward to 1796, and Hamilton co-authored the revision.

The four years between the two drafts saw the rise of the two-party system.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 9:49 am
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Washington's Farewell Address was widely cited in the US prior to WWII as a reason to leave the Europeans to their own disputes.

We need to do what GW said as much as we can. Avoid fighting other people's fights.


Are you saying the US should never had entered WWII???? Are you fricking insane?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32498 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:59 am to
quote:

Our "passionate" attachment to the Jewish State needs to be ended at once.

I'm sure that gets big cheers at your Klan rallies
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51209 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:03 am to
quote:

I assume you realize that Washington was devout man of GOD !!


He wasn't as religious as you may think. None of the founding fathers were.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:11 am to
quote:

Washington's Farewell Address was widely cited in the US prior to WWII as a reason to leave the Europeans to their own disputes.
We need to do what GW said as much as we can. Avoid fighting other people's fights.

Are you saying the US should never had entered WWII???? Are you fricking insane?


I said as much we can.

Notice that the Japanese attacked us and Hitler declared war on us.

Many people took Washington's advice very seriously and we should too.





Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
30812 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:14 am to
quote:


The four years between the two drafts saw the rise of the two-party system.


Political parties, which Washington warned us against.
Today, we treat them like sports teams. "You cheer for the Bills? You hate AMERICA!" and other such silly nonsense.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:18 am to
Jesus dude, you have got to be a Nazi with that sentiment.

The United States' entry into WWII may be the most justifiable use of force ever
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
15949 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:20 am to
quote:

He was mainly referring to England and France, who were at war with each other at the time.


We need to reassess all support we give all countries. I feel we give too much financial aid to Israel. And they scream and holler if we ever say no to any request for more support.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112359 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:00 am to
I don't understand how Washington could say that many words in a speech when his teefus hurt like a bitch.
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6608 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

I don't understand how Washington could say that many words in a speech when his teefus hurt like a bitch.
He didn't.

The address itself was a letter that was published in newspapers throughout the country. It wasn't a speech.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

The United States' entry into WWII may be the most justifiable use of force ever




I never for an instant said it was not. I am a big fan of FDR's.



And also a big fan of the Baker Wun Seven.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

Our "passionate" attachment to the Jewish State needs to be ended at once.


We have our first Zionist POTUS.
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