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re: War On Drugs: Let's get a better understanding/conclusion. Part 1: Supply Side
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:10 pm to BigJim
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:10 pm to BigJim
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Wrong (or at a minimum, misinformed)
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Fourth, following the repeal of Prohibition, alcohol consumption increased. Today, alcohol is estimated to be the cause of more than 23,000 motor vehicle deaths and is implicated in more than half of the nation's 20,000 homicides. In contrast, drugs have not yet been persuasively linked to highway fatalities and are believed to account for 10 percent to 20 percent of homicides.
So outlaw booze and legalize drugs?
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:36 pm to MButterfly
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No it's not. You are prohibited from murder, yet we are not changing the law...
Only someone being intellectually dishonest would use this analogy.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:51 pm to StraightCashHomey21
OP looks like something a college freshman would put together in a community college criminal justice class. Terrible.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:55 pm to MButterfly
Yeah! Let's keep pouring money into a failed cause!
Idiot.
Idiot.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:57 pm to NIH
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OP looks like something a college freshman would put together in a community college criminal justice class. Terrible.
I think you're giving him too much credit. No way he would ever get into a community college.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 4:58 pm to upgrayedd
So we had 23,000 killed in alcohol related wrecks and about 10,000 killed in alcohol related homicides right? Was Chicago really that dangerous during prohibition?
And we had 52,000 deaths from drug overdose in 2015 and drugs are illegal.
I don't have the answer, but just saying lets legalize drugs like alcohol is now doesn't seem to add up.
The truth is taxpayers spend Billions either way and the truth is either way results in a lot more human misery than many concede.
And we had 52,000 deaths from drug overdose in 2015 and drugs are illegal.
I don't have the answer, but just saying lets legalize drugs like alcohol is now doesn't seem to add up.
The truth is taxpayers spend Billions either way and the truth is either way results in a lot more human misery than many concede.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 5:08 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Since homicides are about half of this, despite a much larger population, can we assume alcohol use has decreased or that 100% of murders are now related to alcohol?
and is implicated in more than half of the nation's 20,000 homicides.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 5:09 pm to MButterfly
quote:Alcohol is more destructive physically and mentally than some drugs that are highly illegal.
Are you simply wanting the choice to do your preferred drug? If so, this conversation isn't for you.
Have a downvote.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 5:14 pm to MButterfly
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No it's not. You are prohibited from murder, yet we are not changing the law
Demand is so great that the market will never die. Lock up one dealer, another comes along.
Drugs 1, war 0
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:18 pm to MButterfly
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We already spend money to have these guys go train 1 time per month plus 2 solid weeks.
-You'll train (also called “drill”) one weekend per month plus a two-week period each year. There are 350K National Guard to rotate
Just so I'm clear, you want to replace training time with border duty and school patrol? When will they actually train?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:19 pm to montanagator
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remember the streets of Chicago were actually more dangerous during prohibition than they are today.
The hell you say!
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:10 pm to montanagator
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There's so many fricking things wrong with this idea I'm not sure where to start: historically we have tried the military approach- in Colombia- it didn't do all that much other than shifting suppliers and destroying Colombian civil society
Didn't the Police of Columbia take out Pablo? That was in 1993. He pretty much controlled that for 20 years. So You would need to explain what head we took out, because we did not take him out. In fact, his cartel was splintering due to his own actions.... like killing people within his organization.
Those factions have wrecked Columbia.
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Let's just focus on one major thing-- declaring cartels terrorist organizations- this would an absurd example of overreach- first we pass the Patriot Act which cedes to the state some pretty authoritarian powers in the name of fighting terrorism, then we declare drug trafficking organizations terrorist groups enabling the Government free reign- you don't see the massive slippery slope there?
No I don't.
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Oh, wait I forgot the best part- since you're declaring the cartels "terrorist organizations" you're effectively enabling Military action on US soil- this is the sort of thinking that leads in 5-10 years to rural Sheriff's departments having the ability to conduct drone strikes (before anyone thinks this is too absurd look at the migration of military vehicles, equipment and tactics to law enforcement over the past 15 years or so)
We have labeled Isis and many more as terrorist organizations.... There are people here fighting for them. Have you seen Military action in the streets?
Have you ever seen the National guard called in to help stabilize things? I have. Reagan did it.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:13 pm to suavecito80
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I really hope this dude isn't a conservative because HOLY shite! MOAR GOVERNMENT MOAR MOAR MOAR!!
It's not more Gov. It's redirecting where they are stationed and trained.
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frick that though bomb Mexico build a wall with snipers on it and starve prisoners. Epic plan.
1- Working with Mexico with their consent isn't the same thing.
2- Building the wall is going to happen.
3- Starve prisoners. When did I say starve? I said they don't get tax dollars. Huge difference.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:14 pm to upgrayedd
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If the OP spent some time
The OP has spent a lot of time in a lot of places.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:17 pm to mindbreaker
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You realize decriminalization isn't a novel idea. It's already been done 15 years ago in Portugal and it worked.
No it hasn't. I will get to that in the demand thread.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:18 pm to MButterfly
Just lol.
Im convinced you're just an elaborate troll.. No one can be this dumb in 2017
Well done OP
Im convinced you're just an elaborate troll.. No one can be this dumb in 2017
Well done OP
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:21 pm to Haughton99
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I want Cartel drug locations blown up.
Imagine if El Chapo were still on the lose and the Mexican authorities got good intelligence that he was held up in a duplex in Tuscon. Would you be ok if Mexico sent a drone with a hellfire attached and leveled that duplex in Tuscon? How exactly do you want our country to blow things up in Mexico?
Depends on the situation. If he is in a duplex in Tuscon, take him out in other ways... Send in a seal team.
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Smaller class sizes help more than smaller schools but both are irrelevant to the drug problem. Schools are remarkably safe these days. A child's chances of being seriously harmed at school are way less than we they aren't there.
Not in inner cities and poorer areas where drugs are indeed sold in schools.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:23 pm to saintsfan1977
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We created this epidemic and are working hand in hand with the cartels. We are both profiting from this war.
We didn't create it. We responded to to what was happening.
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Any sane person knows to end the war for good, legalization is the bottom line. Thats it. Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thinsg over and over and expecting a different result. OP How you feeling?
We have not had a war on drugs.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:28 pm to BigJim
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Wrong (or at a minimum, misinformed)
Actually prohibition was a success
Down voted not due to facts.. due to the few here who want drugs legalized for personal reason.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:30 pm to doubleb
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And we had 52,000 deaths from drug overdose in 2015 and drugs are illegal.
I don't have the answer, but just saying lets legalize drugs like alcohol is now doesn't seem to add up.
It doesn't unless you want to be able to use those drugs.
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