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re: WaPo - Louisiana Republicans advance bill that would charge abortion as homicide
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:11 am to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:11 am to Big Scrub TX
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I would, in turn, ask you: do you actually believe an early 1st trimester abortion is "murder"?
Where is the logic that it isn't murder if the act is intentional?
If I kill you in your sleep, is that murder?
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Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:23 am to td01241
So go ahead and list the special circumstances that have to be met…. I’ll wait.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:29 am to SportTiger1
So you believe that only the mother had unprotected sex, and is solely responsible for the outcome?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:31 am to MintBerry Crunch
Contact your reps and senators if you, like me, think this bill goes beyond the pale.
Or at least is sloppy as frick.
Or at least is sloppy as frick.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:56 am to BamaGradinTn
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They should make sure to include women who travel out of state to get one.
So you are okay with a state passing laws that follow you wherever you go, claiming jurisdiction over other states rights.
I really hope you don’t present yourself as a believer in smaller government, the Constitution, and happy about RvW returning states right to self govern.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:09 am to DallasTiger11
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I can’t tell if you are trolling bc you are normally pretty moderate.
The Republicans are going to shoot themselves in the foot over abortion and blow all the momentum from the last two years. fricking morons
Yes, I'm always right of center but not extremist. No, I'm not trolling. It still doesn't change the fact that how the fetus is killed or who the father is is completely irrelevant as far as whether or not the fetus is a person.
This won't be a problem for the GOP during the election. Most areas of the state where the left will be galvanized are blue states anyway.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:13 am to Volvagia
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They should make sure to include women who travel out of state to get one.
So you are okay with a state passing laws that follow you wherever you go, claiming jurisdiction over other states rights.
I am absolutely OK with a state passing whatever laws necessary to protect the rights of its most vulnerable citizens.
Does Louisiana law recognize an unborn child as a person? Yes
Does that make the unborn person a resident of Louisiana? Yes.
Should that most vulnerable of all residents of the state be protected by the state from being taken out of state and killed? Yes
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:15 am to Eurocat
This perfectly shows the stupidity of the party base. Attacking women will drive voters into the Democratic party. It would be more effective, and much more effective politically, to charge doctors, and others, who perform the abortions.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:16 am to Barbellthor
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1. It is murder. 2. It's not murder for the majority of mothers killing their babies who have been gaslit into believing they're not babies, so the mens rea is kind of lacking. 3. Charge the doctor, not mother. Doing this wins no votes and justifies the left's lies and radicalism.
It's a homicide. Maybe murder, maybe manslaughter.
Charge both. The doctor took the life...the mother was an accessory.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:16 am to Eurocat
If you murder a pregnant woman they often try to press for two murders. So I don’t see how this is any different.
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:16 am to Jizzy08
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Can’t wait for honor code to actually have to put his nickel down on abortion. He ran as a pro-life Democrat. That is all a ruse.
Good point! You know that there are politicians left, right and center who are squirming right now that their shelter has been yanked away.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:18 am to Penrod
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This perfectly shows the stupidity of the party base. Attacking women will drive voters into the Democratic party. It would be more effective, and much more effective politically, to charge doctors, and others, who perform the abortions.
And how, pray tell, if a Louisiana woman travels to California to have an abortion, a Louisiana DA can prosecute a California doctor?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:30 am to BamaGradinTn
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This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:36 am to cahoots
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Yes, I'm always right of center but not extremist. No, I'm not trolling. It still doesn't change the fact that how the fetus is killed or who the father is is completely irrelevant as far as whether or not the fetus is a person.
This won't be a problem for the GOP during the election. Most areas of the state where the left will be galvanized are blue states anyway.
There are 4 million babies born per year through IVF. This bill would likely make that impossible.
Other bill essentially force woman to take pregnancies to term, even if the fetus is not viable (obviously there are exceptions if the mother's health is in jeopardy).
I think people are underestimating some of the real world implications here. The finer details of these bills will scare even a lot of very conservative women.
Downvote away
Admittedly, I don't know the details of the LA bill. Surely the language can be remedied. Births by IVF shouldn't be made impossible.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:59 am to Eurocat
As Louisiana resident I believe the procedure of abortion when the life of the mother is not in danger should be banned.
That needs to be defined because technically birth control pills cause abortion. The fertilized egg is not allowed to attach to the uterine wall.
Legally I'm okay with defining life at the first sign of a heartbeat. Morally I define life at conception.
The question here is, when does the state have a responsibility of protecting life? For the state I'm okay with them protecting life at the first sign of a heart beat. As a dad I'm going to protect life from conception.
Furthermore, how will the state deal with miscarriages? If the same principle applies to miscarriages then the same principle needs to apply to IVF. Whether you are trying to create life in vivo or in vitro there is always a risk of an embryo not making it. If there is going to be a law it needs to be crafted in such a manner that bad intentions are punished and good intentions not punished. Creating life in vivo or in vitro are good intentions...the intention is to create life which is good. Abortion is a bad intention...the intention is to end life which is bad.
I don't believe that women who get an abortion outside of the state should be charged with homicide inside of the state.
Punitive measures should be placed on abortion providers rather than mothers.
That needs to be defined because technically birth control pills cause abortion. The fertilized egg is not allowed to attach to the uterine wall.
Legally I'm okay with defining life at the first sign of a heartbeat. Morally I define life at conception.
The question here is, when does the state have a responsibility of protecting life? For the state I'm okay with them protecting life at the first sign of a heart beat. As a dad I'm going to protect life from conception.
Furthermore, how will the state deal with miscarriages? If the same principle applies to miscarriages then the same principle needs to apply to IVF. Whether you are trying to create life in vivo or in vitro there is always a risk of an embryo not making it. If there is going to be a law it needs to be crafted in such a manner that bad intentions are punished and good intentions not punished. Creating life in vivo or in vitro are good intentions...the intention is to create life which is good. Abortion is a bad intention...the intention is to end life which is bad.
I don't believe that women who get an abortion outside of the state should be charged with homicide inside of the state.
Punitive measures should be placed on abortion providers rather than mothers.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:28 am to GumboPot
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The question here is, when does the state have a responsibility of protecting life?
Very simple answer: Always.
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I don't believe that women who get an abortion outside of the state should be charged with homicide inside of the state.
Charge them with taking a child out of the state for the purpose of committing a homicide.
You either believe an unborn child is a person, or you don't.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:54 am to Eurocat
Is it just a virtue signal that has no chance of officially coming into existence, or is it a bill that has a decent chance of succeeding?
This post was edited on 5/6/22 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/6/22 at 11:57 am to LSUvet72
Nobody steps on their own dick like the Louisiana GOP.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 12:54 pm to BamaGradinTn
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And how, pray tell, if a Louisiana woman travels to California to have an abortion, a Louisiana DA can prosecute a California doctor?
We can't. We also can't punish residents of another state for letting our kids drive earlier than we think it prudent.
BTW, how would you propose punishing the woman in your example? A woman leaves Louisiana and comes back. How do you know she was pregnant? How do you know she got an abortion?
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