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re: Vivek supports 59% as a minimum inheritance tax. Rich people "owe" everyone else.

Posted on 8/26/23 at 6:23 am to
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 6:23 am to
That would mean that this proposal affects very few voters.
Posted by OccamsStubble
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 6:42 am to
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It's just a thought experiment


If it’s a bunch of guys in a fishing boat, it’s a thought experiment. If it’s a national politician, it’s a precursor.

Guys crushing girls in women’s sports was once ‘just a thought experiment’
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 6:45 am to
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That would mean that this proposal affects very few voters.

Which is a great way to get taxes passed. It doesn’t affect you. Yet.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 6:51 am to
Yes, that how the income tax passed. It only affected the 1% at its introduction.

Vivek, like Trump, tends to try and take a populist approach. So, saying it won't bother 99% of you is the only way to sell this.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 7:00 am to
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If it's securities there will be a taxable event if they're ever liquidated for cash.


Any asset includible in the estate for estate tax purposes receives a step up in basis.

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If it's property that is inherited the people that inherited it will still be on the hook for property taxes.


Goes to the state.

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The inheritance tax seems unnecessary since it will all eventually get taxed anyway.


I agree it is unnecessary, but it is because the money has already been taxed and death should not be a taxable event.
Posted by wryder1
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 7:08 am to
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I also am in favor of steep inheritance taxes. And I am rich. We should minimize taxes on productive people who merit their earnings, and tax the shite out of undeserving people who get handed money.


Why should government be trusted with that money? All they will do is use that money to buy the votes of more undeserving people. In what way will government lessen the burden of the average tax payer by receiving this money? You act as if the gvt is looking for X amount of money and will stop taking when they get that X dollar amount. When I’m history have the gvt’s appetite for money every been satisfied?

If the person raised spoiled kids then the money will dry up as they waste it in the economy. It will naturally find its way to others who understand finances and they will build their wealth off these spoiled kids that have no financial discipline. The answer isn’t increasing taxes but to quit inflating prices, lessen the red tape and allow the smaller guy to build a business to compete.
Posted by Doosh606
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 7:09 am to
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They were already taxed on it once, it’s theft to tax it again!


Seriously one of the worst designed taxes out there, up there with the automatically deducted income tax.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 7:27 am to
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Can someone define what’s considered rich?


Do you wear shoes? If so, then you need to pay up, Mr. Moneybags.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 7:32 am to
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Isn't the first 11.4 million exempt?


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frick you. That person made that money. They shouldn’t be penalized one cent extra.




Not that I support it at all...but isn't an inheritance tax on the person inheriting the money, rather than on the person who made the money?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 7:35 am to
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Seriously one of the worst designed taxes out there, up there with the automatically deducted income tax.


Property tax is the worst of all.

At least income tax goes away if you lose your job or become disabled.

Property tax just rolls on regardless of your ability to pay.
Posted by funnystuff
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:18 am to
Y’all do understand that there are actual costs of persistently operating in a runaway debt economy, right?

Our massive debt load is sticking Americans with higher interest rates, slowing down new business investment, pushing us to being a bigger importing country, and crippling our growth potential. The long run consequences of running the economy through ever escalating debt levels are going to be brutal. To the point that not addressing them is simply not an option.

Meaning we only have two viable paths: lower spending or raising taxes. Except the problem is so bad that “or” is probably the wrong connector there… the reality is that we have dug such a big hole that we will very likely need to pursue an “and” approach. Less spending and more taxes will both be necessary just to return ourselves to a healthier growth trend.

Now on the tax side, we can either raise that tax revenue by taxing working people who are already living paycheck to paycheck (thanks in no small part to Biden’s ridiculous economic agenda), or we can raise that tax revenue by taxing the inheritance of people who are being gifted over 8 figure gifts by the actual producers who preceded them. I know which one I’m choosing.



So purely from a pragmatic perspective, a larger inheritance tax for the top 0.1% causes less harm than any alternative so far proposed. But I’m open to hearing you out on a better way to raise that tax revenue if you have one.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:24 am to
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or we can raise that tax revenue by taxing the inheritance of people who are being gifted over 8 figure gifts by the actual producers who preceded them. I know which one I’m choosing.


How much revenue do you think the estate tax generates? It wouldn’t cover one gift to the Ukraine. It is a punitive tax simply because it’s really easy to get votes from people by saying “tax the rich!”
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 8:27 am
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:26 am to
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Not that I support it at all...but isn't an inheritance tax on the person inheriting the money, rather than on the person who made the money?


Technically it is a tax on the decedent’s estate. That our course eventually comes out of the pockets of the chosen heirs, but it is up to the executor of the estate to make sure the estate pays the taxes.
Posted by funnystuff
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:27 am to
Is it more than 0? Because if so, it lessens the need to raise taxes from other, more important places
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:28 am to
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So purely from a pragmatic perspective, a larger inheritance tax for the top 0.1% causes less harm than any alternative so far proposed.


Unless you're in that top 0.1%.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:29 am to
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Is it more than 0? Because if so, it lessens the need to raise taxes from other, more important places


In 2022 it was 33 billion. Less than one gift to the Ukraine. It is simply a way to penalize the rich and get votes by getting people who don’t understand the tax or its results to vote to “tax the rich!!”
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:29 am to
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So purely from a pragmatic perspective, a larger inheritance tax for the top 0.1% causes less harm than any alternative so far proposed. But I’m open to hearing you out on a better way to raise that tax revenue if you have one.




Vivek is wicked smart so I was wondering what the angle was for something that is not going to be well received.
It looks like he's just following the data and trying to be practical.
Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:29 am to
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To confront multigenerational wealth,


Why does he feel a need to confront it?
Posted by SlidellCajun
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:31 am to
If a parent wants to leave their kids their money then it is not up to anyone else to have an opinion on whether or not it’s a right or wrong desire. It’s certainly not fair for the government to tax that money.

It’s already been taxed anyway.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 8:31 am to
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It looks like he's just following the data and trying to be practical.


No. His proposal would have resulted in 50 billion of revenue. A conservative would say, let’s not give the Ukraine 75 billion and “let” our citizens keep their own money.
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