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re: Vivek going up in flames
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
What I’m saying is not a unique take. There’s a whole saying “the woke are more correct than the mainstream” among dissident right/reactionaries.
That is not what this board is by and large, though there are a few of us here.
That is not what this board is by and large, though there are a few of us here.
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you think there should be a minimum wage based on some mythical "living" scale?
No.
I didn’t say all issues, I said many issues
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:46 pm to goldennugget
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What's funny is that I was a successful high school athlete, the jock that Vivek was referring to, who turned down academic scholarships to schools like Rice and Tulane in order to go walk on at TCU to play baseball (before switching to football).
For everyone of you there are 100 high level athletes, worshipped by “the community” that can’t read past the third grade level.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:46 pm to OBReb6
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Leftists/wokesters are closer to correct on many issues than classical liberals, it is just for the wrong reason, or wanting the wrong outcome from their observations.
I don't think this is true at all with regard to the woke, unless it has something to do with a rejection of colorblindness in favor of racial/ethnic identity grouping, but I don't really buy that.
I think it's only true with leftists to the extent we're talking about collectivism as a concept at all. In other words, I think some level of collectivism is preferable and natural, and I think extreme priority on the individual is ultimately detrimental. I don't think the left's vision of collectivism is anything resembling desirable, of course.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:47 pm to OBReb6
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What I’m saying is not a unique take.
Very few MAGA types admit their Leftism
Trust me, as the person who remained a defender of capitalism to the chagrin of so many malleable types on here.
It's never been unique, but it has been a source of major cognitive dissonance.
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That is not what this board is by and large, though there are a few of us here.
This is where it's gone since 2016, but few understand what they stand for anymore (see: aforementioned malleability)
They're NPCs by and large
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Very few MAGA types admit their Leftism
They are starting to creep out of the closet.
I'd love to see how they reconcile this when Trump is gone.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:49 pm to 50_Tiger
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pagliacci the hated ??
@Slatzism
What Vivek is actually condemning is that the American working class has the fresh memory of their parents achieving a high standard of living through honest work, and that they hold that as an expectation.
Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc do not have that memory or expectation.
American workers have become fully disillusioned with runaway capitalism, and do not want to sacrifice their bodies or minds for a standard of living far below what their parents enjoyed with less education and skills than they have.
They do not want to work 50+ hours per week to barely be able to make ends meet for themselves, let alone for the family they hope to have. They have zero incentive.
So what Vivek means when he speaks of "culture" is the culture of insects.
What Vivek is describing when he refers to "hyper-competitiveness" are Americans being unable to compete with insect culture.
It is an American with the blood memory of a happy family being comfortably provided for on a union mechanic's salary up against a swarm of roaches content to be packed 20 to a pod, eating slop, shitting in a bucket, and doing it all for nothing more than the occasional headpat from their master.
For their refusal to accept such a slave-like existence, American workers are being mocked by the insects, who cannot even begin to fathom that there is meaning and value to life beyond a few extra dollars in their bank account, a bit of extra shareholder value, being #1 in some bullshite industry that shouldn’t even exist, etc...
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:50 pm to Pettifogger
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In other words, I think some level of collectivism is preferable
How much of this collectivism is based on race?
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and I think extreme priority on the individual is ultimately detrimental
That is how you achieve greatness and why America was great (the place MAGA seems to return to)
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:50 pm to HagaDaga
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Biden administration issued plenty of visas to all he let in too.
I dont give a **** which party is responsible. It just needs to stop while we're in the biggest tech layoff phase in almost 20 years.
I'm addressing this to Elon and Vivek because they're the ones advising the president on this right now.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:51 pm to tide06
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dont give a **** which party is responsible. It just needs to stop while we're in the biggest tech layoff phase in almost 20 years.
I'm addressing this to Elon and Vivek because they're the ones advising the president on this right now.
Get ready to keep having this feeling.
You voted for this.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:52 pm to Pettifogger
What I’m saying is that the woke more accurately understand power dynamics and racial bias than mainstream and classical liberal thinking, but their solutions for it are the opposite of what needs to be done.
A good example is the classical liberal religious assumption of everyone being equal and blank slatism, which is just an absolutely preposterous idea.
The woke know it isn’t true, but their solution is to take from the haves by force.
It would be a better strategy to recognize reality when fighting these types, to know when not to give an inch. Many here instinctively know this to an extent, but don’t know how far this mindset permeates and how deep the rot is.
A good example is the classical liberal religious assumption of everyone being equal and blank slatism, which is just an absolutely preposterous idea.
The woke know it isn’t true, but their solution is to take from the haves by force.
It would be a better strategy to recognize reality when fighting these types, to know when not to give an inch. Many here instinctively know this to an extent, but don’t know how far this mindset permeates and how deep the rot is.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:53 pm to Caplewood
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You aren’t even a good troll anymore
Just ignore him, hes not worth dealing with.
He's here to derail.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:54 pm to teamjackson
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Get ready to keep having this feeling.
You voted for this.
Our voices are being heard so I am thankfull he was elected.
Trust me, Trump is taking note of what's going on. At least we have his ear!
Imagine if Biden (well, the people unelected around him) were running this country another 4 years!
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How much of this collectivism is based on race?
In theory? Not much. Of course in practice, most people who raise kids like me, worship like me, think like me, etc. are white.
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That is how you achieve greatness and why America was great (the place MAGA seems to return to)
It really wasn't. For all the emphasis placed on the individual in our history, the high water mark most would use (greatest gen) was a nationalistic people with communities and families as bedrock.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:55 pm to El Segundo Guy
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At 25, he makes over $100k in the sticks of Oklahoma doing pest control. Cheap cost of living and he is raising his family of four just fine. I believe he only pays $900 rent for the 3 bdr house.
If that guy can support his family just fine with a room temperature IQ (but willing to work his arse off) then maybe the problem isn't H1B visas, it's work ethic and discipline.
He wasnt told by every responsible adult in his life to get a degree that costs $40k a year at a state school in 2024.
If he had been he'd be looking at $160k in sunk costs associated with a tech degree thats now worthless because Elon and Vivek want to drive down their labor costs.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:56 pm to 50_Tiger
Vivek isn’t wrong about our culture. He’ll just look at pictures of the average American flying on a plane in the 70s versus now. Suit and tie and not fat then. Today fat and still in pajamas.
We accept sloppy and lazy behavior too much.
However all Americans aren’t this way, and that post reads to me like tech companies hire based on prejudices of culture rather than individual merit.
If a straight white American man with strong work ethic and the educational accomplishments to back up his resume, would he get hired before a foreigner by Big Tech? If so, then Vivek has a valid point and there simply aren’t enough Americans who qualify. If not, then the H1B program is being abused and qualified Americans are being screwed
We accept sloppy and lazy behavior too much.
However all Americans aren’t this way, and that post reads to me like tech companies hire based on prejudices of culture rather than individual merit.
If a straight white American man with strong work ethic and the educational accomplishments to back up his resume, would he get hired before a foreigner by Big Tech? If so, then Vivek has a valid point and there simply aren’t enough Americans who qualify. If not, then the H1B program is being abused and qualified Americans are being screwed
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:56 pm to boomtown143
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It is an American with the blood memory of a happy family being comfortably provided for on a union mechanic's salary
The irony is lost on this guy.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:56 pm to Sofaking2
I went to school in the 60's and 70's, my whole life I hid how smart I was because of how it intimidated the other kids and even some adults, even hid it from my parents till my soph. year in High School, Parents were teachers at my HS and picked which teachers I got, they always picked the ones who gave homework and I never brought books or homework home, when they asked why I just said the teachers spent the last 10-15 min. of class explaining the homework I just did it then, that is when they took me to get tested.
just saying this to show there could be lots of reasons not just lazy or low IQ
just saying this to show there could be lots of reasons not just lazy or low IQ
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:56 pm to andwesway
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I'm a Trump guy, but he and Elon need to go back to doing whatever they were doing before they got involved
Elon and Vivek understand individualism and competition. Two conservative staples.
When you trade individuality for collectivism, it is indeed left wing. I dont know why people want to save these other people who literally hate them.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 2:57 pm to OBReb6
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What I’m saying is that the woke more accurately understand power dynamics and racial bias
Yet so many of them buy into obvious race hoaxes. The woke are lazy, dishonest, and just plain stupid.
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The woke know it isn’t true, but their solution is to take from the haves by force.
Wrong again, the woke absolutely believe in equality of outcomes are more important than equality in opportunities.
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