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re: Video of Richard Spencer being sucker punched during interview

Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:17 am to
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:17 am to
I don't think most multicultural societies are capable of being grounded in freedom, which is a traditionally Western European concept.

Those that tend to be compatible either adapt to the culture or be of high IQ. The latter presents problems because the regression to the mean (as we see with second generation Muslims in Europe)
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27431 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:22 am to
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And that's all great. And we cannot tolerate violence, but in a country that value freedom, if a view is absent that violence that we are compelled to at least allow it; although we can criticize it and argue against it relentlessly.



Im not big on responding to a line by line parse of a post. Nothing personal but its just not something I like to do.

I do want to comment on this though, This country is swinging back center after quite a few years spent to the left of center.

The left isnt losing its voice in our society, they are just reacting like spoiled children as the country's ideological pendulum swings back the other direction.

I was born during the Nixon administration and have seen this "change" happen multiple times. I cant remember a group that has dealt with it as poorly as these leftist millenials. Its sad to watch.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:24 am to
Really disgusting - Spencer is an important ally as we fight Islam and SJWs / globalists
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 1:25 am
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27431 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:38 am to
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Really disgusting - Spencer is an important ally as we fight Islam and SJWs / globalists



No he is not.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35240 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:49 am to
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I don't think most multicultural societies are capable of being grounded in freedom, which is a traditionally Western European concept.
Well I disagree; of course, certain cultures are incompatible, which is causes problems. But that's not an indictment on everybody else.

Furthermore, this relies on the same ignorant reductionism that the left employs as it relates to culture. What if the culture drained by? Race, religion, geographic location, ethnicity, government boundaries? And context drastically changes views too.

I mean as an outsider, if you asked me to judge the cultural diversity of Northern Ireland, I would say it's not diverse at all. And if you told me the main difference are dogmatic differences regarding the same religion, I would say that's a subtle distinction. Yet, many different over that cultural difference.
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Those that tend to be compatible either adapt to the culture or be of high IQ
So again it's not the multicultural society, it's the certain cultures who can't adapt.
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The latter presents problems because the regression to the mean (as we see with second generation Muslims in Europe)
Again. We've highlighted a culture which is often incompatible. So call out that culture; he's ignorantly rationalized that to it all.

Arguing for a white America, besides the ignorant reductionism, is not a logical conclusion to the specific problems identified.

I want people who add value. I don't care who they are. There are plenty of people who would add value who wouldn't exist in his society, while plenty that font add value who would,

So like multicultural narrative he's arguing against, if one cares more for the salient traits of a person than the value and merit of that person, than his views deserve to be ridiculed like the other worthless views he's against.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27431 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:59 am to
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Arguing for a white America, besides the ignorant reductionism, is not a logical conclusion to the specific problems identified.

I want people who add value. I don't care who they are. There are plenty of people who would add value who wouldn't exist in his society, while plenty that font add value who would,

So like multicultural narrative he's arguing against, if one cares more for the salient traits of a person than the value and merit of that person, than his views deserve to be ridiculed like the other worthless views he's against.


well said and I agree completely.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35240 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:12 am to
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This country is swinging back center after quite a few years spent to the left of center.
And I'm glad it is.
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The left isnt losing its voice in our society, they are just reacting like spoiled children as the country's ideological pendulum swings back the other direction.
Of course, but like children, they are seeking attention. Let's not give them what they want. We'll only reinforce it.
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I cant remember a group that has dealt with it as poorly as these leftist millenials. Its sad to watch.
I just realized I'm responding with that line by line criticism you dislike.

But you may be right that they are responding worse. Yet, it's also possible that with 24 hour news, YouTube, blogs, social media, etc., we're just able to witness the responses more easily. I bet any part generation would look worse if we could easily see their response on our phones.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27431 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:35 am to
We are all more "like" thinkers generally regardless of self-proclaimed ideological identities at the end of the day in my experience.

It's what makes America great. The populace will always choose freedom over any cultural variances and has always drowned out the extremists in both political spectrums. Its the great safeguard in our system in our very American system. Our democracy is unique in the world because of our multiculturalism .

The fact we are the great democracy shining in the world isnt just lip service. Its real and our multiculturalism anchored by civil liberty and freedom are what will always ensure this lasts.

Dont buy into the fear mongering, regardless of which end of the political spectrum it originates.

We must always be vigilant. The fact the people looked right through some clear attempts to sway them in the media the last 10 years makes me smile and optimistic about our future.

This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 2:42 am
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 3:54 am to
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But he doesn't believe in white supremacy, he just whats America to be basically an exclusively white nation?


Exclusively? I'm not sure that's what they want. Maybe they are just smart enough never to admit the worst parts of their thinking.

Either way, yall are doing the lefts work for them ITT. Any white person that doesn't talk about race in purely PC terms is a Nazi? This is why the term "cuck" gained traction. People do it to themselves.

I'm not a white nationalist, but I am a white person, and I care about the future for whites. How is that controversial? Really think about that for a second. It's controversial because we have all been indoctrinated.

Every other race explicitly advocates for itself and no one bats an eye, and this while brown populations are growing all over the world.

Whites are declining everywhere and are already scapegoated by every race including their own. What's it going to be like when we are minorities in large parts of the U.S. and Europe?
What's it like for whites in South Africa today? What's it like in parts of Sweden? Detroit?

I realize Spencer is racist, but he is gaining traction for a reason, and it's not with a bunch of dumb Bubba's. As a society, we have simply gone too far with this white privilege, institutionalized racism, etc nonsense.

Whites treated blacks poorly for a long time. That doesn't mean modern whites should castrate themselves and give away their children's futures in a fruitless attempt at atonement.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27431 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:08 am to
This election and the last mid term should have answered your question.

Things change.

Freeing the slaves were going to ruin the country....

The Isish and Italian immigrants were going to ruin the country...

The flood of Bosnian immigrants into St Louis were going to ruin our city...

Its religious...it has always been about religion and it always will. Start the fight there but the racial stuff is nonsense.

An agnostic middle eastern scientist has as much value to this country as an agnostic white scientist.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 4:31 am to
Typical Traybama.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 6:57 am to
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An agnostic middle eastern scientist has as much value to this country as an agnostic white scientist.

How are you defining value?
Differently than I am, certainly. A middle eastern man here or there and nothing changes. A concentration or plurality of middle eastern men and everything changes. People shape societies. The societies people are immigrating to to were all shaped by Europeans. They are better places to live, for now.

Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 6:59 am to
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It's what makes America great. The populace will always choose freedom over any cultural variances and has always drowned out the extremists in both political spectrums. Its the great safeguard in our system in our very American system. Our democracy is unique in the world because of our multiculturalism .


This is simply absurd, myth-based thinking.

We had an explicitly pro-European immigration policy for most of our history.

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58969 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:06 am to
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That guy is an actual Nazi.


No he's not.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58969 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:08 am to
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This is simply absurd, myth-based thinking.

We had an explicitly pro-European immigration policy for most of our history.



Shhh. Don't upset his multi-culti cult beliefs.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:11 am to
Wow he did Nazi that coming.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21931 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:23 am to
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Is the alt right now equated with being some sort of neo nazi


Same thing, new name.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28987 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:25 am to
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Ok multiple PT progressives calling this Richard Spencer a POS. Google gives me fake news(cnn) links calling him a white nationalist but I can't seem to find any actual quotes from this guy


I don't know if you were quoting me but I'm not a progressive. Whatever the exact opposite is, I am.

Just wanted to make sure that is clarified.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58969 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:36 am to
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Same thing, new name.


No it's not.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 7:40 am to
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Spencer isn't a nazi


And AmRen is a centrist, non-racial website, right?
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