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re: Venezuela reality- it ain't drugs, it's China
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Trump says its about drugs. Did you miss that part?
Not at all. Do you think it would be better for everything if he outright said it's about going to war with China?
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:19 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Not at all. Do you think it would be better for everything if he outright said it's about going to war with China?
Gotcha. More 6D chess.
That way no matter what happens, he has an outlet.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:19 pm to JoseyWalesLA
It's also a major part of the supply chain for certain Chinese goods, but that one is a bit harder for some folks to wrap their heads around. 
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Gotcha. More 6D chess.
You suggested it's about China and they are lying about it. I'm agreeing with you.
Basic international relational prudence is checkers, bruh.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:24 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
You suggested it's about China and they are lying about it. I'm agreeing with you.
I have unequivocally stated its a pissing match between Trump and Maduro.
If drugs were the issue, the China - Mexico link is 1000x more of a problem.
I still remember when the trade war with Canada was about "fentanyl." Seems like its a great word to keep the minions in the flock.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
You do realize we can shut China out tomorrow if we really want to. We have fleets in that part of the world, they don't.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its just an excuse for regime change.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:31 pm to RelicBatches86
It’s a good question and I assume that is by the direction of geopolitical “experts”, but your guess is as good as mine. I don’t think the admin not being 100% transparent is necessarily a cause for concern or upheaval, especially given the past 80 some odd years of our foreign policy. 80% transparency is better than 40% in the grand scheme.
Have you really seen enough to call this a failure? The failed war on drugs you’re referencing took place over 35+ years time. The military has been striking Venezuelan drug runners for three months. I would actually think taking a heavier hand to them would provide more optimism for success rather than pussyfooting around like we have previously. Maybe not.
Option 3 - stiffen punishment to drug users in America. Minimum 10 years in prison with no parole. I’m sure that would help decrease demand, but then people would complain about that too without giving any valuable suggestions on what the admin should be doing differently.
Doing absolutely nothing isn’t an option but that seems to be the thought process for those that are so upset.
Have you really seen enough to call this a failure? The failed war on drugs you’re referencing took place over 35+ years time. The military has been striking Venezuelan drug runners for three months. I would actually think taking a heavier hand to them would provide more optimism for success rather than pussyfooting around like we have previously. Maybe not.
Option 3 - stiffen punishment to drug users in America. Minimum 10 years in prison with no parole. I’m sure that would help decrease demand, but then people would complain about that too without giving any valuable suggestions on what the admin should be doing differently.
Doing absolutely nothing isn’t an option but that seems to be the thought process for those that are so upset.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:32 pm to KiwiHead
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You do realize we can shut China out tomorrow if we really want to.
Yeah, I have no doubt we likely could.
You think that would be the most prudent course of action to do so bluntly and directly?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:33 pm to JoseyWalesLA
Have the democrats started wearing venezuela flag pins yet?
What about hammer and sickle pins?
What about hammer and sickle pins?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:35 pm to bignuss18
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Have you really seen enough to call this a failure? The failed war on drugs you’re referencing took place over 35+ years time. The military has been striking Venezuelan drug runners for three months
We spent 15 years bombing poppy fields in Afghanistan, and that failed.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
No it’s not Roger!
It’s a combination of many things and if anyone wants the full education in it, read my posts history about all the issues we have with Venezuala.
And it’s not all Oil!!! That’s an ignorant answer to this.
Venezuala is the “landing point”
Onto our “shared landmass”
With Venezuala.
Terrorist organizations are sending TRAINED TERRORIST to Caracas where they can come up thru the southern border.
Venezuala is the foothold for eventual takeover of Latin American countries. You have closet communist leaders of Colombia, Brazil, Mexico & knocking on the door of Chile and others.
Venezuala made sense for them to take it over in 1999 with Chavez because of its wealth in natural resources, so it was like “hey, which country makes the most sense to take over with our new voting machine scam?? Yeah, Venezuala is the richest, so let’s do that one”.
Some of you people are so simple minded that you can’t see this has many angles as to why the regime change is needed.
I can speak on this topic because I’ve been going down to Colombia for many years and many friends spent there. They all say the exact things I’m saying, so this isn’t some armchair opinion.
They are a clear and present danger and a landing point for China and Iran to infiltrate grow their footprints in South America. My fiance was born and raised in Caracas and she says there is a large population of Chinese and Camel Jockeys in Venezuala.
And if you’re too simple minded to not realize that you can literally walk to/from Venezuala (although not recommended), BUT IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING!
EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT that comes from other continents NOT ATTACHED to our shared landmass, ENTERS THRU VENEZUALA.
How does a Chinese spy get to the southern border?
How does a trained Jihadi get to our southern border?
How does massive amounts of fentanyl chemicals arrive to our country or to Colombia for mixing with the cocaine? It is shipped to Venezuala.
You are wrong beyond reasonable doubt Roger and your “Shtick” is old. No substance and from an ignorant point of view.
What makes you so well informed that you try to beat this into people’s heads?
I speak from an insiders point of view. My entire in-laws are Venezualan and some of them still live there in misery or they are relocated to Colombia. Chile and Panama.
I post and speak from their experiences and knowledge, this Venezualan problem is much more complex than your small minded opinion.
This is factual, so in all due respect, cut the BS
It’s a combination of many things and if anyone wants the full education in it, read my posts history about all the issues we have with Venezuala.
And it’s not all Oil!!! That’s an ignorant answer to this.
Venezuala is the “landing point”
Onto our “shared landmass”
With Venezuala.
Terrorist organizations are sending TRAINED TERRORIST to Caracas where they can come up thru the southern border.
Venezuala is the foothold for eventual takeover of Latin American countries. You have closet communist leaders of Colombia, Brazil, Mexico & knocking on the door of Chile and others.
Venezuala made sense for them to take it over in 1999 with Chavez because of its wealth in natural resources, so it was like “hey, which country makes the most sense to take over with our new voting machine scam?? Yeah, Venezuala is the richest, so let’s do that one”.
Some of you people are so simple minded that you can’t see this has many angles as to why the regime change is needed.
I can speak on this topic because I’ve been going down to Colombia for many years and many friends spent there. They all say the exact things I’m saying, so this isn’t some armchair opinion.
They are a clear and present danger and a landing point for China and Iran to infiltrate grow their footprints in South America. My fiance was born and raised in Caracas and she says there is a large population of Chinese and Camel Jockeys in Venezuala.
And if you’re too simple minded to not realize that you can literally walk to/from Venezuala (although not recommended), BUT IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING!
EVERY SINGLE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT that comes from other continents NOT ATTACHED to our shared landmass, ENTERS THRU VENEZUALA.
How does a Chinese spy get to the southern border?
How does a trained Jihadi get to our southern border?
How does massive amounts of fentanyl chemicals arrive to our country or to Colombia for mixing with the cocaine? It is shipped to Venezuala.
You are wrong beyond reasonable doubt Roger and your “Shtick” is old. No substance and from an ignorant point of view.
What makes you so well informed that you try to beat this into people’s heads?
I speak from an insiders point of view. My entire in-laws are Venezualan and some of them still live there in misery or they are relocated to Colombia. Chile and Panama.
I post and speak from their experiences and knowledge, this Venezualan problem is much more complex than your small minded opinion.
This is factual, so in all due respect, cut the BS
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Heh - if we want to get into Afghan war conspiracies (which, I believe this one too), that mission was a success. It wasn’t to destroy the poppy or disrupt heroin manufacturing and trade, it was to control it. There’s still plenty of American contractors over there today who are making sure it stays that way.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Lol no the duck we didn't.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:40 pm to Westbank111
quote:
I post and speak from their experiences and knowledge, this Venezualan problem is much more complex than your small minded opinion.
Aint that conveneient?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:43 pm to JoseyWalesLA
it’s all of those things AND drugs. not sure why it has to be one or the other. It’s all connected to the idea that the Maduro regime wants to undermine America.
But do you really think drugs has nothing to do with it when Trump has made that a central issue since the day he announced his candidacy? I don’t think you can dismiss it that easily.
But do you really think drugs has nothing to do with it when Trump has made that a central issue since the day he announced his candidacy? I don’t think you can dismiss it that easily.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:44 pm to Westbank111
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Westbank111
Damn
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:50 pm to RandRules
quote:That's EXACTLY what this is.
This could possibly end up as another Iraq or Afghanistan and cost us trillions.
Isn't it interesting that all the "terrorist" countries are also the ones that won't deal oil in U.S. dollars. I'm sure it's all just one big coincidence.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:51 pm to TX Tiger
It's exactly like lol.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:53 pm to TX Tiger
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This could possibly end up as another Iraq or Afghanistan and cost us trillions.
That's EXACTLY what this is.
If it distracts enough, for sure.
No one is buying the drug bullshite.
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