re: Vaccine vs. Masks: Why does it matter?

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You have a significantly higher chance of dying in a car accident on your way to get the vaccine than you do dying from the Corona. Lol
Just saying

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This is just stupid.

Not being mean.

Do you understand what you are saying here?

Hundreds of millions of people drive on the roads daily. But that one trip to get the vaccine is going to have a different mortality than driving to the store?

Same risk.

Look, I understand the risk of the virus. Under 20 and healthy almost zero.

Over fifty overall is 1 percent so if healthy less. Maybe 1 in 200 or 500 instead of 1 in 100.

Over 60 and over 75, risks are higher.

There is no way I have a greater than 1 in 500 chance of dying every time I drive my car. That means you take 500 car trips, you should die.

Look, you don't want the vaccine that is fine by me.

But don't explain it away by using incorrect logic or facts.

Say you have a phobia about vaccines. I couldn't care less, unless you work in a hospital.

Live your life, but let me leave you with some advice.

It's better you have people think you are an idiot then open it and prove it.

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There is no way I have a greater than 1 in 500 chance of dying every time I drive my car. That means you take 500 car trips, you should die.

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Uhhh, that's not how probability works.

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It's better you have people think you are an idiot then open it and prove it.

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If you are going to call people morons and idiots, I'd read this again if I were you.

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I'm not anti Vaccine or anything but there is absolutely no way this is a known fact as it is still way to early to tell!

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Moderna and Pfizer and 95 percent effective roughly.

That means if 100 people get the virus over a certain amount of time, if you have the vaccine, or of a different 100, only 5 will get it.

Now with the variants it might be down to 90 percent. But it was originally when tested 95 percent effective.

The Johnson and Johnson one is in not exactly sure like 72 percent effective against the original virus but drops down to sixty something currently because of the different stains which really aren't that different.

The Chinese one is possibly less than 50 percent effective. That is why certain areas vaccinated with that vaccine still have outbreaks.

What do you think Tom so long for the vaccine to come out?

They made the vaccine within like a week of getting the genetic code. They had to isolate the spike protein, create the vaccine for that was still a very short time, maybe a week.

Testing to find the amount of of antibody producing amount to put in each vaccine to not cause side effects and then making sure it was safe and effective took the remaining 7 or 8 months.

Mrna vaccines are amazing. Do you understand we had the vaccine by March or April? I forget when the first human injection were but they were not much after that.

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 someone a moron for not wanting to take it? I'll say it, I'm not taking it.

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Honestly you are not weighing risks/ rewards appropriately.

But phobias and the such all interact with human decision making.

Most people are very poor at adequately assessing risks and rewards. So I would put you in that category.

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don't take aspirin every time I get a headache, or sudafed every time I have a stuffy nose. Or if I do, I try to take the bare minimum. 

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I take aspirin or ibuprofen once a year.

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. I don't get every flu vaccine every single year, only one when it is suggested.

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Actually it is suggested you get the flu vaccine once a year because it is for different strains of the flu.

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But why does that matter to someone else who is vaccinated?

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It doesn't matter to me.

However let me break it down for you. You have a virus that had a very contagious ability.

Every person who gets sick can pass it on to you. If there are less people who can get sick, there is a lower risk to get it.

Note I said the vaccines are 95, actually 94 point something percent effective. That means if exposed I still have a small chance of getting it, a small chance of getting really sick, and an extremely low chance of dying from it.

The chance is so low that since I have the vaccine, I don't care what you do.

But if more people got the vaccine the virus would be out of circulation, like polio. There is no polio circulating in the United States because the vaccination rate is so high.

Other places of the world people still get polio.

So this virus could be more rare than measles in the United States because the vaccination rate for measles is in not sure, something like 80 percent? Straight up guess. Obviously that number of 80 percent is misleading somewhat because you tend to have pockets of people who are anti vaxxers.

So there are a few outbreaks of measles every now and again in those areas.

This virus could be that rare because I do not believe the measles vaccine is anywhere close to 95 percent effective.

Some people can't assess risk as I have stated before. That goes both ways.

I would suggest you get vaccinated. I would suggest if you had a treatable cancer that you get treated. But you are an adult.

I don't think it is a huge public policy risk since these vaccines are so effective.

But just as I can see where some people don't want to get it and I'm fine with it, I also understand why everyone being vaccinated would be better.

We still however live in a somewhat free country and it is your decision if you don't want it. I think you will be foolish, but it's your choice.

Just like I think it is foolish for someone vaccinated to double mask to just go outside. But there are people that foolish as well. Their choice of they want to dress that way.

Again, not smart, but it's a somewhat free country.

Eta: thank you for the nice response. We can disagree but we can be nice.

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Put the keyboard down Dr. Jill

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So factual responses are not what you want?

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If people get sick and die (they will) for not being vaccinated, not our problem anymore. People have had ample time to get the vaccine. Any adult who doesn't have it already is a vaccine "denier" and nothing you can do will change their minds.

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i agree, but not all are deniers, many are extremely low risk and would rather wait until the vaccine is 100% approved.

and there is nothing wrong with that. If you are stupid low risk, what would you be in any hurry to take a vaccine that is not even fully fda approved yet?

also you fail to account for the ones that have had covid and have the antibodies.

FTR i have the vaccine and had issues, mainly the breathing issues from covid. No i didnt have covid as i was tested before and after. i only got it because i live with my MIL who is high risk. I was stupid and donated blood the day before.

for the OP, its about control, simple as that, no other explanation at this point. Less than 1% of the populaiton that wants teh vaccine has a legit medical problem that is keeping them from getting it.

just need to open every single thing up.

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But if the vaccine works, then the only people at risk, masks or not, are the people who don't have the vaccine, which is their choice

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Yeah but the CDC still cares if they die.

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You seem to have pissed a bunch of folks off, but if our “overlords” had done nothing but adopt your approach/mindset some time ago, we’d be many of orders of magnitude better off right now.

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That's because I'm logical.

And I don't want to create a false sense of craziness to advance a 10 billion trillion gazillion dollars rescue package.

Thanks for the compliment but that same thing could be said for many people on this board.

You are reasonable as well so without even hearing you give an agenda, yours would be better than bidenfricks.