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re: U.S. debt to asset ratio is better than 1:7

Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:46 pm to
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:46 pm to
quote:


does the government own all of these mineral assets?



Well gee, if its on PUBLIC land - what the frick do you think ?!?

This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 11:47 pm
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:48 pm to
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 11:50 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 11:51 pm to
Thanks for sharing your cellphone wallpaper with us bhtigerfan. That's a nifty way to remind yourself.

This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 11:52 pm
Posted by reverendotis
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Member since Nov 2007
4987 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 12:49 am to
From the article you linked

quote:

It is well known that abundant, reliable and affordable energy supplies act as fertilizer for economic growth that in turn generates new revenue sources," they write. "It is time to better utilize government assets owned by the U.S. taxpayer, and in turn, unleash the U.S. economy’s potential.


I have stated it on this board on several different occasions - US coal represents the largest proven energy reserve on Earth.

Substantially larger than all of OPEC's oil combined.






In addition, shale oil reserves in the Green River Basin Formation (a decent sized chunk of the shaded area on the map in your link) are currently estimated to be 1.47 trillion barrels.

Compare this to the 1.32 trillion barrels of proven conventional oil reserves in the entire world.

We have all the domestic sources we need to produce electricity and liquid transportation fuel at affordable prices into the foreseeable future.

In order for this to yield real growth and prosperity, we have to bring these resources to market. Just having them sitting in the ground as if they were "money in the bank" doesn't cut it.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:21 am to
Are you counting coal and other fossil fuel commodities that your environmental policies would render practically worthless?

This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 5:57 am
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 5:14 am to
I'm sweating and breathing hard from doing mental gymnastics just trying to make anything you have stated work and the numbers to make sense.

Please break down the equation on where you figure the US "Owns" 128T in mineral assets, is that factoring in the cost of production? Is the 128T the tax money expected from private companies pulling the carbon from the ground?

C minus on the thread, and that's with the Spidey Curve
Posted by Ace Midnight
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95593 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 6:52 am to


Okay - I'm just going to say it - being anti-coal is anti-American, period.

We have more coal than the rest of the world, combined, excluding Russia.
Posted by La Place Mike
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:12 am to
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We have 128 T in mineral assets.

What good is that if the President will not allow for exploration and recovery of said minerals.

Tuba do you want to have public lands opened up for exploration?
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:38 am to
quote:

We have 128 T in mineral assets.


who?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:48 am to
quote:

We have 128 T in mineral assets.
You should learn the concept of liquidity before making a fool of yourself.
Posted by Jim Ignatowski
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:49 am to
quote:

PUBLIC land


Stolen land....
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:20 am to
quote:

We have 128 T in mineral assets.


We do? That's the libhrul mindset all there in one tiny soundbite.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:24 am to
quote:

You should learn the concept of liquidity before making a fool of yourself.


So I should count my home as an asset worth $0.00 because it is illiquid,

right?

Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:27 am to
So your interested in treating the government like a private company? Great, please show me any private company that has operated at a loss for multiple decades that still exists?
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11817 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:39 am to
quote:

We have 128 T in mineral assets.


You have no concept of liquidity. Zero.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11817 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:40 am to
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You should learn the concept of liquidity before making a fool of yourself.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:40 am to
quote:

So your interested in treating the government like a private company? Great, please show me any private company that has operated at a loss for multiple decades that still exists?


Please show me a private company that has the right to collect taxes from the entire nation by majority vote of its shareholders.

Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:41 am to
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You have no concept of liquidity. Zero.


I don't recall mentioning the liquidity of the assets until another poster brought it up.


Glad to help you feel smart though. You gotta take what you can get I guess...



BTW - do you think if I need a loan I shouldn't bother to mention the house? Its not terribly liquid, so it doesn't count as an asset, right?
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 9:42 am
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11817 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:41 am to
quote:

So I should count my home as an asset worth $0.00 because it is illiquid,

right?


Your house is worth what you can sell it for. Not what you value it at. Bring $128T worth of any mineral to the market and see what you can sell it for. Look what happened when all this oil started flooding the market.
Posted by KCT
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Member since Feb 2010
49848 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:43 am to
Well hell, tuba boy, let's just sell $36T of those mineral assets IMMEDIATELY and go from $18T in the hole to $18T in the black! BRILLIANT!!!

Tuba, this thread reminds of that scene in "Dumb and Dumber" where Jeff Daniels' character trades the van for a scooter. Jim Carrey's character says something like, "Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber, you go and do something like this....AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!"

What's really sad for you is, that was just a fictional movie, and they were just pretending to be that stupid.

You, on the other hand........
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