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re: U.S. commits to help Ukraine for 10 more yrs

Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:26 pm to
Posted by nwacajun
St louis
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:26 pm to
frick Ukraine , Putin too for that matter. No business there. If American ( regular forces) boys are part of that shite , it will be WWIII and/or civil war here.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:30 pm to
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard with the exception of mentally ill boys playing girls sports and open southern border.
Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
3351 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:31 pm to
jmarto1 - You are a special kind of stupid.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 10:33 pm
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
100328 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:32 pm to
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They definitely do not have the manpower to fight NATO. That’s why I don’t see them expanding into any adjacent NATO countries


Yup and if Putin tried to open an entirely new front even the cowed Russian citizens might revolt.

Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65117 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:34 pm to
Sounds like they know Trump will win
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:34 pm to
100%
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:35 pm to
You're too kind. Your contribution to this conversation has been riveting
Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
3351 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:03 pm to
So you are for an endless conflict with US taxpayers largely footing the bill. And I suppose you think Zelensky is not playing this? Is that riveting enough for you?
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 11:04 pm
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:34 am to
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So you are for an endless conflict with US taxpayers largely footing the bill


Where did I say I am for perpetual conflict?

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And I suppose you think Zelensky is not playing this? Is that riveting enough for you?


You can do this without being condescending. I wouldn't be surprised if he is. See me earlier post where I state that both sides can be correct. I apologize if I do not think like a far left loon where everything that doesn't agree with me is inevitably incorrect.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26257 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:38 am to
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but on the other hand Putin isn't going to stop with Ukraine


This is why we can't have nice things. People are told that Putin will not stop at Ukraine, and they believe it. Putin want this over but the Deep State won't let that happen.

The US govt is responsible for instigating this war and is responsible for 1 million deaths. Those countless souls would be alive to day if it were not for this gov't.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
37834 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:40 am to
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They definitely do not have the manpower to fight NATO. That’s why I don’t see them expanding into any adjacent NATO countries


A common tactic in this situation is to use choke points...


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People are told that Putin will not stop at Ukraine, and they believe it.


How many invasions do you think has happened in the post Soviet era?
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 12:42 am
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60674 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:08 am to
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Russia wouldn't have accepted sanctions, the cost of war, and the massive loss of life over $50B/year.


Russia from the revolt around World War I and Putin was 3 parts that kept each other in check. Same with Red China. What is different now is bot countries have cut off the other two legs and now operate as dictatorships (why you have the historians talking about Hitler).

Even at the height of the Cold War these 3 legs allowed backdoor diplomacy to diffuse any extreme decisions. As a dictator for life (like Hitler) Putin has no checks and can make poor decisions because there are no circuit breakers any more.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41843 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 9:20 am to
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According to 2 Baltic countries Russia is already violating their sovereignty via “hybrid war” tactics.


This goes both ways.

Just saying.

Russia could grant Kaliningrad its Independence, and that new nation could declare war. Then Russia could supply them in much the same manner that we are Ukraine.

So why haven’t they done so?
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
37834 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 7:07 pm to
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You don’t think it had anything to do with serious consideration of Ukraine being admitted into NATO?


Just saw this part so sorry I did not respond to it. The press would have you think that process was rolling along. Joining NATO is a long process and everyone has to vote on that. If it was on a 100 step process it wasn't even on the first step
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60674 posts
Posted on 6/15/24 at 7:56 am to
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In combined arms they would get wrecked. Russia has numbers and that is about it. It isnt nothing though


You are looking too small

Imagine Russia + China

I am old enough to remember Korea

Good guys had Korea won then the Chinese got involved and it was like ant swarming. They poured into Korea and we had to settle for a stalemate.

If the big picture game is about labor and resources, and allied Red Commie group would be formidable.
Posted by lsuconnman
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/15/24 at 8:27 am to
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This post was edited on 10/24/24 at 9:20 pm
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 6/15/24 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Russia could grant Kaliningrad its Independence, and that new nation could declare war. Then Russia could supply them in much the same manner that we are Ukraine.

So why haven’t they done so?


Might be because Poland and Lithuania would have it carved up within about 48 hours.
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