re: US Capitol Special Agent David Bailey Who Killed Ashli Babbitt is a Brazilian Immigrant an

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with dozens and dozens of loud, angry "protestors" right behind her?

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Along with what appears to be 3 or 4 armed tactical swat members that were actually in the line of fire from this idiot? Those angry protesters?

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In a vacuum, I have trouble seeing the shooting as justified. But given the circumstances, I think it's easily justifiable. The order not to go through the window was not only for Babbitt; it was for any one of the members of the mob behind the door. Do I think the mob would have broken through and caused serious harm to the police or to the people holed up in the offices for whose safety the police are responsible? No. But that's really easy for me to say while not being outnumbered 50-1 on the other side of that door.

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My only issue really is that there were any number of armed police on the same side of the door with her, and not one was attempting to prevent anyone from doing anything. No one had drawn a firearm on anyone as they pushed past them into the Capitol. No one had hands on her as she tried to get into the window. It wasn't some wild scene from Z Nation. The cops on her side of the door were just milling around despite the door having been pounded on and the window smashed open.

My biggest issue is the obvious double stand here. If people want to get up in arms about the various unarmed people that were shot by police, then I'd expect those same people to be font and center arguing much the same thing here. Where was Biden suggesting the Capitol Officer should have shot her in the leg like he stupidly suggested during the summer?

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“Instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there’s an unarmed person coming at them with a knife or something, shoot them in the leg instead of in the heart,” Biden said, going on to argue that “There’s a lot of different things that can change” in police training.

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So my issue isn't at all with the specific situation here really...it's with the obvious double standard and then attempt to suggest anyone asking for consistency from the left is relying on "whataboutism" rather than just asking the left to not support such double standards. Had the left not gone insane all summer long with the ACAB nonsense and supported legit efforts to restore law and order during the riots, you'd almost certainly see the vast majority of the right defending the LEO here.

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Well, there were numerous cops on both sides of that door and none of them felt the need to shoot anybody amid the chaos. Even when cops were being physically attacked outside the building, none of them shot anybody even though it would have been justifiable.

If people want this to be the precedent from now on then so be it. There will never be a police shooting again that is unjustified.

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I think the problem is that the cops on the other side of that door were working with limited information and were not only worried for their safety but for the safety of the capitol workers hiding in offices behind them. What they saw was a potentially violent mob literally trying to break down the door and the makeshift barricade. They were significantly outnumbered, and I don't recall seeing them with assault rifles but rather handguns.

I guess the point is that it was a chaotic scene. I don't think the officer actually wanted to shoot anyone because that's basically a last resort when dealing with a crowd like that. Because if any of them were armed, then the stakes just got raised and you're still outnumbered.

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OK then what about that I think it was a St Louis couple when that angry crowd came crashing through their security gate threatening them in their front yard. Remember what happened to them soon after? I do. If this DC cop had the right to shoot then the St Louis couple did too. SAME situation!

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Ok, I agree with you. Now what?

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I just re-watched the video.

The protestors are beating on the glass, and the Capitol Police officer steps into sight with his weapon drawn. You hear the protestors shouting "There's a gun! There's a gun!" And they keep smashing the glass and then Babbitt climbs thru the broken window, KNOWING that there is an officer on the other side with his weapon drawn.

Stupid games. Stupid prizes. Gene pool enhanced.

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Yep. That's how I remember it.

I'm typically critical of police and how they exercise force. But this was a bizarre and chaotic situation, and very few people in that building knew what the hell was going on.

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They didn’t shoot and were still charged.

This officer shot and wasn’t even disciplined that we know of.

Now what?

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They shouldn't have been, in my opinion. And based on the information I have, which is obviously limited, I don't think the cop should be either. But I'm open to being wrong if more information becomes available that depicts the situation differently.

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But this was a bizarre and chaotic situation, and very few people in that building knew what the hell was going on.

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That doesn’t mean he gets to shoot people. Use of deadly force policies require imminent danger of serious bodily harm. Ashli Babbitt doesn’t mean that standard even with a stretch.

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he was protecting this country and killed a trait

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I’m sure you mean China right?