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Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:36 pm to Texas Weazel
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She would be alive had she complied
Complied with what order exactly?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:37 pm to Texas Weazel
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She would be alive had she complied. That's what a lot of us said about George Floyd and Eric Garner. Let's not move the goalposts.
I have been consistent throughout this discussion.
The Babbitt shooting looks worse than the Garner death by miles. And not really better than the George Floyd killing.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:40 pm to Texas Weazel
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She would be alive had she complied. That's what a lot of us said about George Floyd and Eric Garner. Let's not move the goalposts.
George Floyd died of a drug overdose and Eric Garner died because he was grossly overweight. Even if you want to argue the actions of the officers is what killed those two, neither officer intended to kill Floyd or Garner. Babbit was unarmed and nonviolent at the time of the shooting that was intended to kill her. There is a huge difference. You are a dumbass if you think these incidents are comparable.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:43 pm to the808bass
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He was a befuddled cop
quote:I think this is fair. A befuddled cop who panicked during the bedlam.
He should be disciplined.
I think it's also fair to say that we (this board) often make excuses for police when their behavior is undisciplined as a result of an intense or precarious situation. "Stupid games...stupid prizes" is a common refrain when a black motorist is shot for not obeying police orders.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:46 pm to jchamil
quote:quote:Complied with what order exactly?
She would be alive had she complied
"Do not go through that window!"
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:49 pm to Pecker
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"Stupid games...stupid prizes" is a common refrain when a black motorist is shot for not obeying police orders.
There’s two separate issues.
1). Was Ashli Babbitt being a smart person as she jumped through the sidelight? No, she was not.
2). Was the shooting justified? It’s a little tougher to answer this question, but I would lean towards no. There was no one in immediate risk of serious bodily injury from Ashli Babbitt. If a civilian had shot her, they would be in bad shape legally, IMO.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:50 pm to the808bass
How is this thread still up when the OP is obviously fake?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:55 pm to GEAUXmedic
You should apply to be a mod.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:58 pm to Ailsa
I thought Ashli Babbitt was a crisis actor?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:00 pm to Ailsa
Not surprising how they never said who he was
When if a cop shoots an armed and drugged black guy we know the cops name within minutes
When if a cop shoots an armed and drugged black guy we know the cops name within minutes
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:00 pm to the808bass
quote:In a vacuum, I have trouble seeing the shooting as justified. But given the circumstances, I think it's easily justifiable. The order not to go through the window was not only for Babbitt; it was for any one of the members of the mob behind the door. Do I think the mob would have broken through and caused serious harm to the police or to the people holed up in the offices for whose safety the police were responsible? No. But that's really easy for me to say while not being outnumbered 50-1 on the other side of that door.
2). Was the shooting justified? It’s a little tougher to answer this question, but I would lean towards no. There was no one in immediate risk or serious bodily injury from Ashli Babbitt. If a civilian had shot her, they would be in bad shape legally, IMO.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:02 pm to Pecker
quote:Exactly.
In a vacuum, I have trouble seeing the shooting as justified. But given the circumstances, I think it's easily justifiable. The order not to go through the window was not only for Babbitt; it was the any one of the members of the mob behind the door. Do I think the mob would have broken through and caused serious harm to the police or to the people holed up in the offices for whose safety the police are responsible? No. But that's really easy for me to say while not being outnumbered 50-1 on the other side of that door.
One solitary person at the door and thinking about climbing thru the window? That is an easy situation to control.
One person climbing thru the window, with dozens and dozens of loud, angry "protestors" right behind her? That is a situation that could spiral QUICKLY out of control, if allowed to do so.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:04 pm to beaver
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even the whackjobs in the conspiracy subreddit can spot a fake article when they see one
Well they are saying it could be the one that committed suicide.
So...
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:06 pm to Nurbis
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George Floyd died of a drug overdose and Eric Garner died because he was grossly overweight. Even if you want to argue the actions of the officers is what killed those two, neither officer intended to kill Floyd or Garner. Babbit was unarmed and nonviolent at the time of the shooting that was intended to kill her. There is a huge difference. You are a dumbass if you think these incidents are comparable.
Preach. Stated another way, the officers attempting to subdue Garner and Floyd were using what’s known as soft empty hand or non lethal techniques. No weapons were used.
The officer that shot Babbitt used a lethal weapon . Even though you aim for center mass (he aimed above center mass) to stop an imminent threat to prevent serious bodily injury or death (she appeared to be no threat to either), you understand that the decision to pull the trigger is highly likely to result in the loss of life.
The cop who killed Babbitt clearly used lethal force judgement to stop a non lethal threat, unlike the cops involved in the deaths of Garner and Floyd.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:06 pm to AggieHank86
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One person climbing thru to window, with dozens and dozens of loud, angry "protestors" right behind her? That is a situation that could spiral QUICKLY out of control, if allowed to do so
Why did the officers gaurding that go then? Why did the officers standing behind her do nothing then?
But if you have no issue with this, then you shouldn't take issue with someone attacking an officer and losing their life.
Or firing on a group of officers executing a warrant and losing your life.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:07 pm to cwill
quote:Word on the street is that she was a former mistress of Hunter Biden, and was hired directly George Soros to lead the march on the Capitol building. She's alive and well, and was simply a pawn in Biden's chess game to institute martial law in DC.
I thought Ashli Babbitt was a crisis actor?
Rumor is that Sean Hannity will break this story sometime in the next 1-18 months.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:08 pm to AggieHank86
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One person climbing thru to window, with dozens and dozens of loud, angry "protestors" right behind her?
What video did you watch?
There were maybe 15 people total in that confined are, 3 of whom had on police uniforms.
Only one person was trying to break through that door, and she was killed. Everyone else was standing around wondering what to do next.
I've seen more unruly mobs at a yard sale.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:08 pm to dgnx6
quote:I don't
But if you have no issue with this, then you shouldn't take issue with someone attacking an officer and losing their life.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 2:09 pm to Pecker
quote:
No. But that's really easy for me to say while not being outnumbered 50-1 on the other side of that door.
This post was edited on 2/9 at 2:01 pm
Ummm what, there are officers with assault rifles behind her when she gets shot.
They were standing close enough to her that they could have been the ones shot if the other guy missed.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 2:10 pm
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