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re: U.S. blasts 'ungrateful' Zelensky: America 'deserves a degree of gratitude' for $113B
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:09 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:09 am to Indefatigable
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Total fiction.
defense.gov
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Leaders Agree to Expedite Ukraine's NATO Membership
NATO leaders agreed to a package that will ultimately make Ukraine a member of the alliance, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said at a news conference today.
boy that was easy.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 10:10 am
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:11 am to tide06
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Only if they are able to freeze and reallocate all the money he stole during the foreign aid bonanza we've sent his way.
Honestly, I'd be ok with just stopping the bleeding at this point. It's a continuous flow of money that is only resulting in Ukraine's mismanagement of funds.
Not sure how much I buy into the whole "well what if Russia put missiles in Mexico pointing at us?" thing but I can see how Putin would be pissed. We need to stay tf out of there and save our money.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:27 am to WPBTiger
How much you want to bet that a large percentage of the munitions we've sent to Ukraine are being sold on the black market?
It's sick man. The MIC is evil. Ukraine will be a disaster for generations because of our meddling. The only upside is that Russia is de-Nazifying Ukraine and revealing the shitshow of corruption it is.
It seems the destabilization of the EU was the goal all along. If the West does not purge itself of these usurpers, the entire world will be run by these WEF shitheads.
It's sick man. The MIC is evil. Ukraine will be a disaster for generations because of our meddling. The only upside is that Russia is de-Nazifying Ukraine and revealing the shitshow of corruption it is.
It seems the destabilization of the EU was the goal all along. If the West does not purge itself of these usurpers, the entire world will be run by these WEF shitheads.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:34 am to The Baker
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boy that was easy
So you're citing this year's NATO summit to support the notion that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 because of NATO?
And besides, yesterday's announcement amounts to nothing. Ukraine still has to end the war, meet the membership criteria, and obtain the unanimous consent of all 32 members. They are nowhere close to achieving any of those things--hence Zelensky throwing a tantrum.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 10:37 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:37 am to Ricardo
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Ukraine will be a disaster for generations because of our meddling.
Ukraine has been a disaster for centuries because of geography and the politics of its neighbors. That will likely never change.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:39 am to LSUnation78
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U.S. blasts 'ungrateful' Zelensky: America 'deserves a degree of gratitude' for $113B
Zelensky is just a miserable apology of a world "leader." No sense of "utang na loob", or debt of gratitude.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:59 am to Indefatigable
quote:Citing the US official and public support of Ukraine joining NATO.
So you're citing this year's NATO summit to support the notion that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 because of NATO?
Seems better than referring to a negotiated membership action plan to argue that NATO members arent supporting ... uh... membership.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:11 am to BigTigerJoe
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Could have hardened the US power grid and starting working on failing bridges and other infrastructure projects.
But muh infrastructure bill.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:14 am to Lawyered
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Zelensky is just treating this as a never ending ATM.
I don’t blame him. I don’t like Zelensky but it’s our fault for enabling his beggar behavior.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:19 am to POTUS2024
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But muh infrastructure bill.
How many of those have we had now?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:32 am to The Baker
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Citing the US official and public support of Ukraine joining NATO. Seems better than referring to a negotiated membership action plan to argue that NATO members arent supporting ... uh... membership.
Explain how anything that happened at the 2023 Vilnius summit “poked Russia in the eye” and caused them to invade Ukraine in February 2022. That’s what you initially stated, that the US/NATO instigated the invasion by forcing Ukraine into NATO. That did not happen and is not even happening now.
But either way, nothing that anyone anywhere has said in 2023 is relevant to the discussion of whether or not the US forced Russia to invade Ukraine.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:49 am to WPBTiger
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I think the American people do deserve a degree of gratitude from the United States government for their willingness to step up
pfff....like we had any choice in the matter.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:50 am to Macfly
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The US needs an accounting for the monies and arms already sent to Ukraine.
I would estimate 20-25% is in the bank accounts of US politicians.
From both sides of the isle.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:11 pm to Indefatigable
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Explain how anything that happened at the 2023 Vilnius summit “poked Russia in the eye” and caused them to invade Ukraine in February 2022. That’s what you initially stated, that the US/NATO instigated the invasion by forcing Ukraine into NATO. That did not happen and is not even happening now.
I was simply showing that NATO/US support of Ukrainian membership was not "total fiction". This was the end game and Russia knew it.
Reuters
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia will take military and other steps along its borders if ex-Soviet Ukraine and Georgia join NATO, Russian news agencies quoted the armed forces’ chief of staff as saying on Friday.
This isnt complicated.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:20 pm to BigTigerJoe
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Could have hardened the US power grid
But then how would Xi, etc., be able to flip the civilization-ending switch on North America when they feel they're finally strong enough?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:49 pm to WPBTiger
I’ve never hear of a grateful extortionist.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:49 pm to The Baker
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I was simply showing that NATO/US support of Ukrainian membership was not "total fiction"
No one said that it was.
I said that this:
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Nevermind that the US sealed Ukraine's fate by trying to ram them into NATO membership.
was total fiction.
Ukraine was no closer to NATO membership last February than it was in 2008 when NATO made the statement about Ukraine and Georgia. The thought that Russia suddenly decided to invade Ukraine in 2022 because Ukraine was going to join NATO is total fiction. It makes no sense, and it isn't based in reality.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:51 pm to WPBTiger
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Ukrainian anti-corruption activist Daria Kaleniuk t
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:51 pm to WPBTiger
Ukraine fired the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. That's plenty of payback for the swamp.
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